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BK
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Let me endure the wrath.
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Nazgul9
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You have similar numbers to mine.
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Jack Sparrow
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I just forgot my re-release predictions
17m OW/54m Domestic Total
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Nazgul9
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Some new interviews with Cameron here and here. In summary, the special edition will actually feature 9 additional minutes, pretty much all CG stuff. As far as the sequels go, he's not sitting idle, making notes for Avatar 2 and 3, he has an overall narrative arc ready but the full scripts are still some ways out, first they have to get the deals worked out (i assume with the studio). They are actually contemplating doing 2 and 3 back to back. His main focus for the next couple months is the novel that corresponds to the first film. And he confirmed that he's producing Guillermo Del Toro's At the Mountains of Madness (in native 3D of course).
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
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So in other words:
It is unlikely that the sequel will arrive before 2015...
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Nazgul9
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I'd say unlikely before 2014.
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Inny Binny
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It's listed as wide on BOM.
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Nazgul9
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The question is how many theaters are required to be considered wide...
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BJ
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Nazgul9 wrote: The question is how many theaters are required to be considered wide... it used to be 600, might be lower now 
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BJ
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its got the two biggest theaters here in anchorage again. 4 showings each on Lie-max the other IMAX.
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Dr. Lecter
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Will it manage a PTA of over $10,000?
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Jack Sparrow
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If it is going wide with more than 500 theaters I think 10,000 might not be possible. But if it gets to the expected 350-400 theaters then the PTA could be quite good enough and very close to 10,000 if it does not cross it.
In that 1 theater when very few people knew it will be available last weekend it managed 10,511 PTA so I think so it is achievable.
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BJ
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soagg wrote: If it is going wide with more than 500 theaters I think 10,000 might not be possible. But if it gets to the expected 350-400 theaters then the PTA could be quite good enough and very close to 10,000 if it does not cross it.
In that 1 theater when very few people knew it will be available last weekend it managed 10,511 PTA so I think so it is achievable. you're a fewl, the film will manage a 10,000+ PTA opening day.
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Jack Sparrow
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Ha ha I like it BJ at his best. Do remember to take note of my predictions for the re-release OW and you will find my answer 
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Inny Binny
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Quote: Avatar: Special Edition opens exclusively at an estimated 750 3D and IMAX 3D locations on Aug. 27 http://admin.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2885&p=.htm
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Thatguy
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I think the concept of wide release needs to be redefined. There are more theaters out there than ever, and more theaters continue to appear every day. I think wide release should be 1,000 or more locations.
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Inny Binny
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Thatguy wrote: I think the concept of wide release needs to be redefined. There are more theaters out there than ever, and more theaters continue to appear every day. I think wide release should be 1,000 or more locations. Well, no. The number of theatres is decreasing, and has been for a while.
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Thatguy
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Inny Binny wrote: Well, no. The number of theatres is decreasing, and has been for a while.
Is there actual data to support this? I remember seeing some data years ago that showed the number of theaters were increasing.
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Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:45 pm |
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Inny Binny
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Thatguy wrote: Inny Binny wrote: Well, no. The number of theatres is decreasing, and has been for a while.
Is there actual data to support this? I remember seeing some data years ago that showed the number of theaters were increasing. http://www.natoonline.org/statisticssites.htm
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Inny Binny
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I think Star Wars provides an excellent comparison:
Avatar initial run Gross: $749,685,805 Admissions: 75,500,000
Star Wars initial run Gross: $221,280,994 Admissions: 99,200,000
Star Wars sold more admissions on its first run, but Avatar was pulled faster due to other 3D releases. Probably wouldn't have made too much difference though.
Star Wars had its first re-release a bit over a year later:
Star Wars 1st re-release OW (1978) Theatres: 1,750 Gross: $10,166,336 Admissions: 4,340,000 PTA (gross): $5,809 PTA (admissions): 2,480
Using Star Wars' admissions per theatre seems reasonable. Avatar might not have the same rabid fanbase as Star Wars had, however it is being released in considerably less theatres and is in an era of greater frontloadedness.
Considering it is being released exclusively in 3D and IMAX, its average ticket price will be higher - say $12. So my prediction for OW:
Avatar re-release OW prediction Theatres: 750 PTA (admissions): 2,480 PTA (gross): $29,800 Gross: $22,300,000
I don't think it's going to be in theatres for two weeks only. But there should also be considerable rush, at least in comparison to Avatar's main run. I'll give it a 3.5 multiplier. So, complete prediction:
Opening: $22m Total: $78m
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Nazgul9
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I expected 400-500, so that's good.
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Nazgul9
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Inny Binny wrote: Opening: $22m Total: $78m Wow, my total is in the ballpark of your opening.
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Speevy
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Inny Binny wrote: I think Star Wars provides an excellent comparison:
Avatar initial run Gross: $749,685,805 Admissions: 75,500,000
Star Wars initial run Gross: $221,280,994 Admissions: 99,200,000
Star Wars sold more admissions on its first run, but Avatar was pulled faster due to other 3D releases. Probably wouldn't have made too much difference though.
Star Wars had its first re-release a bit over a year later:
Star Wars 1st re-release OW (1978) Theatres: 1,750 Gross: $10,166,336 Admissions: 4,340,000 PTA (gross): $5,809 PTA (admissions): 2,480
Using Star Wars' admissions per theatre seems reasonable. Avatar might not have the same rabid fanbase as Star Wars had, however it is being released in considerably less theatres and is in an era of greater frontloadedness.
Considering it is being released exclusively in 3D and IMAX, its average ticket price will be higher - say $12. So my prediction for OW:
Avatar re-release OW prediction Theatres: 750 PTA (admissions): 2,480 PTA (gross): $29,800 Gross: $22,300,000
I don't think it's going to be in theatres for two weeks only. But there should also be considerable rush, at least in comparison to Avatar's main run. I'll give it a 3.5 multiplier. So, complete prediction:
Opening: $22m Total: $78m Biggest flaw in that reasoning is home video takes away the need for people to go back to see the movies in theaters. The Blu-Ray sold by the bucket load, and I can't imagine many of those people forking over another 12-15 dollars when they can just rewatch the movie at home.
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Inny Binny
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I know, but 3D is not available on home video, so I'm just ignoring that.
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Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:21 pm |
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Jack Sparrow
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Excellent I never thought it would get more than 500 theaters. 17m is not happening now it should easily do 30m OW.
Very nice analysis Inny Binny
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