I see more like 120-135m, with a Friday opening, lowerer if a Wednesday or Thursday opening.

Done.

Didn't even think about that...apologies.

$161 mil to be exact.

To hate something, you must first watch it.

Yeah, in terms of villains you can't get any bigger than Joker...and after heath Ledger's praised performance, i think this will go the way of the Original Burton Batman flicks...i.e. everyone trying to steal Batman's limelight after Nicholson's performance.

I fear that like Batman Returns, Forever and Robin that they'll focus on at least two main villains.....that's a wrong movie I think. They need to keep Batman central in the movie.

They should go for a like one primary villain...i.e. Two Face....and possibly hint at another towards the end or something.

But yeah, it's gonna be difficult for TDK2 to match TDK1 i think.

It opened to $28m...on a Tuesday. After $9m from the night before. And grossed $84m before the weekend. And another $70m over the weekend. And $319m-ish in total.

Are you serious?

Batman Begins opened to $72m five-day. Transformers made $133m in five and a half days. Both had incredible WOM. I don't know how you can count it out so quickly.

Trabsformers would have done 100 million opening wekend had it opened on a Friday.

I saw the movie and thought it was very mediocre. Had zero subtlety and nothing smart about it. Just adrenaline pumping entertainment.

I think outside hardcore fanbase transformers hardly sounds exciting.

That being said if everything falls into place it can get the OW record. But I see the chances to be slim.

This should do very well, but 160 might be a reach. Transformers was very well-liked, so as long as the second is still fun and entertaining, it can have a similar run to Dead Man's Crest.

Ths will depend on T4. If T4 is a big, 200 million+ breakout than the dfanboys wont be that excited. Itd been 3 months since iron Man and indy blew shits sop the entire online fanbase got universally hyped about a month before it opened and it spread.

For t2 to get that, t4 will have to be a dud; thats the only way the buzz will gather around this large enough brweak record.

I disagree. General audiences seemed to love it, for the most part. It was a crowd-pleaser.

Not a chance in hell. TDK was a perfect storm of circumstances, as was Spider-Man 3. TF2 won't have that.

Nope. Transformers was huge upon opening. It was loved by audiences but the legs were only okay. I don't think it's built enough of an audience between movies to sustain a $160m OW.

Transformers' DVD sales were insane. Much like the first Pirates...

And Pirates 2 did 135 million, which is significantly less than the record

Em, until a few days we didn't know that TDK was a perfect storm of circumstances. It's only in retrospect that we're accounting for it in that way. We have no idea how the market will be like around the time Transformers 2 opens. It's possible that it won't be favourable to it, or, conversely, it might just enable the film to get to $160m.

It was the record when it opened. What's your point? Choubachou didn't draw a direct connection between DMC's actual number and TF2's potential number, he was drawing a connection between the two films being follow-ups to hugely successful films with massive DVD sales. The only thing to correlate is that, just like DMC broke the opening weekend record, so to, TF2 (might) do the same.

After this wknd all I have to say to transformers 2 is "fuck you" I don't want some 2nd rate crap action film topping The Dark Knight

Ill never support this club.

My point is its a 2 year and 23 million dollar difference. To top TDK's opening weekend require a mixture huge fanboy internet hype and market just waiting to burst out. As it seems, T2 should have the internet buzz however it have shared it with T4 just a month earlier, while if youll recall, buyzz for TDK has been swelling ever since Iron Man opened and the trailer came out. As for public hype, that imnot worried about.

T2 will become the #3 largest opener ever, and given how the other films of the summer preform, #2. But right now I dont see any of TDK's records falling.

Hell I dont even buy they open it on a Friday.

Yes, it sold just under Pirates 3 -- both $300m-ish blockbusters. The DVD sold like gangbusters, but the numbers clearly point to fans of the movie picking it up. To manage a record-breaking weekend, Transformers needs to build an audience. It needs to create fans that didn't see the first in theaters. Nothing so far indicates that it's done that.

1st one had mediocre reviews. Just fans gave good(great) WOM. I am sure 2nd one will be rotten as well. But fans will like it.

I dont think a rotten movie will beat TDK. It will have to have everything working(Great publicity/Good reviews) to beat TDK.

No worries. I only read the part about the love interest

As for the thread, nah. Transformers' fans aren't as obsessive as The Dark Knight's. Moreover, I don't think Paramount would open it on a Friday anyway.

Reviews don't mean shit for Transformers.

Reviews are meaningless.

And I hope people realize that in order to gross $300m, generally, you need more than just fans. This wouldn't have topped $200m if it didn't interest the general audiences. And as I recall, the legs were pretty solid for a frontloaded summer action flick, so...yeah. I'm not saying that it's going to break $160m just yet, but I think a lot of you just don't like Transformers that much and refuse to believe that it had good/great WOM outside of this forum (even if not with critics, which could not be more irrelevant). A film that opened to $155m over a long holiday weekend has the potential to make that same amount over three days on a non-holiday weekend. Plain and simple. Maybe it's not going to get a monster increase over Transformers, but it doesn't have to.

Transformers legs were VERY solid; I know it ended being my fav. movie of the summer and I am sure many others. It did beat Potter by over 25 million.

Transformers was the DEFINITION of a crowd pleaser. It was one of the funniest movies of last year, Fox was an absolute babe, chicks like Tyrese and J.D., and obv the action was absurd. It wasnt a crowd pleaser like, say, CHARLIE ANGELS was, this was more of a crowd pleaser like Spiderman 1 was. History shows us sequels to crowd pleaser see BIG BIG BIG increase, usually, atleast opening weekend

-Pirates 2
-Rush Hour 2
-Shrek 2
-X2
-Austin Powers 2

I think however, the best comparison I can really think of, in terms of film reception, is the 1st Mummy. That looked like average summer fun but ended being a lot more entertaining, funny, action packed, and simply a lot better than anybody else expected. It translated to the 2nd biggest opener even when it opened.

But yeah numbers dont lie, transformers 1 clearly had good word of mouth.