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El_Masked_esteROIDe_user wrote: excel wrote: how exactly woulfd we able to tell if theres demand in the general public??? the toys are still popular and superman merchandise and especially those shirts the with the "S" logo seem to be getting very popular....
otherwise hwo would we know they wantr one without them saying they do? Trailer reaction, movie fan sites dedicated to just the movie itself(old Superman stuff doesnt quite count). Major magazine cover like how Matrix Reloaded made the cover of Times Magazine 7 months before it came out. An extreme jump in merchandise which I havent really noticed. Baumer also brings up a good point about Smallvilles rating not reflecting the hype of Superman
ahem.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/quickquest ... tories.htm
http://movies.msn.com/movies/2006preview_superman
http://movies.go.com/feature?featureid= ... J344335617
http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/ ... rman_x.htm
http://www.canmag.com/news/4/3/2734
#1 most antcipated score in 2006 is SUPERMANS
the man behing comingsoon.net's weekend warrior thinks superman will be the biggest film of next year.

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Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:11 pm |
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baumer72
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What if the film sucks?
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Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:58 pm |
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neo_wolf
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baumer72 wrote: What if the film sucks?
Then it sucks and makes 150-180mill,but what if its great?
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STEVE ROGERS
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neo_wolf wrote: baumer72 wrote: What if the film sucks? Then it sucks and makes 150-180mill,but what if its great?
There is no "IF" It's great because it won't be.. This movie WILL Suck because of the Christopher Reeve Curse and the fact that 99% of the human population consider this guy Clark Kent/SUPERMAN and no one else but him and because of this and because of Reeve being no longer with us, there is no demand or a care in the world if this movie is ever made.. You watch.. Remember I told you this and see how poorly this does..
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:58 am |
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Superfreak
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well the script review said the script was "great" and i doubt bryan singer could fuck up a good script bad ernough for a movie to suck. hes no brett ratner...
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:29 am |
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Rev
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BKB_The_Man wrote: neo_wolf wrote: baumer72 wrote: What if the film sucks? Then it sucks and makes 150-180mill,but what if its great? There is no "IF" It's great because it won't be.. This movie WILL Suck because of the Christopher Reeve Curse and the fact that 99% of the human population consider this guy Clark Kent/SUPERMAN and no one else but him and because of this and because of Reeve being no longer with us, there is no demand or a care in the world if this movie is ever made.. You watch.. Remember I told you this and see how poorly this does..
stfu you don't know shit.  go back to dissing Kong and leave Sups alone.
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:30 am |
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I was passing through Metropolis IL a few days ago and had to see their giant Supes
[img][img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/loyalfromlondon/Supes002.jpg[/img][/img]
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:52 pm |
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Rev
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 AWSOME!  Loyal
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:43 pm |
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Shack
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Holy hannah, thats *not* what I pictured loyal looking like.
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Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:22 pm |
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Shack wrote: Holy hannah, thats *not* what I pictured loyal looking like.
do tell. Am I not nerdy enough for you?
btw, my pics are all over KJ. Sometimes, even in my avatar.
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Rev
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Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:36 pm |
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Excel
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what i luv is how el still hasnt responded to my post with the pics in response to his bout how superman has no hype outside of the internet....
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Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:52 pm |
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El Maskado
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excel wrote: what i luv is how el still hasnt responded to my post with the pics in response to his bout how superman has no hype outside of the internet....
Um why would I respond since all you do is throw your opinions about the movie. The movie has no real hype because its not as if people use PREMIERE magazine to gauge any hype. You havent listed any major publications that shows the type of hype Superman has. It has no Times Cover story. All you were using are magazines from Entertainment weekly and passing it as hype or very small articles from Newsweek
Oh and Superman was mentioned on a small article in People's magazine whoopee dee since all they cover is entertainment. Its not as though they dont cover movies at all
Ask anyone here, you ARE using your biasness and projecting it on anyone here
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Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:49 pm |
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El Maskado
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You do know that those two links you provided for USA today wasnt really publicity. The second link was the columinist basically saying hes looking forward to Superman and it was only freaking one or two paragraphs. The first link was a freaking joke because it was a survey that includes Superman in one of the question. How is that exactly big publicity. It has the same publicity as any other summer tentpole movies like MI3 or X-3
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Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:35 pm |
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actually x3 or mi3 have niether had any big covers so far...and the usa today links showed it was mentioned, and the other showed it was tied for the lead in the poll. besides it was answer to what you said-it needs magazine covers, real and fansits covering it which it has. its not biasness, i proved you wrong is all. you said it had no hype and i proved you wrong.
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Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:08 pm |
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Maverikk
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Has anybody started a Superman Lives will gross over 300 million thread yet? It's going to, just so you know. Pirates is big competition, but I think it stands a bigger chance to let down, much like Men in Black II did.
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Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:24 pm |
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Excel
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i will, but not till after the theatrical trailer.
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Rev
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Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:08 am |
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Dunno...singer says routh isnt copying reeves suerman, though he kinda hasto if he wants to stay true to the character. but luthors nothing like the old luthor.
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STEVE ROGERS
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Routh says the costume provides a lift?? Where?? In his crotch?? 
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El Maskado
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excel wrote: actually x3 or mi3 have niether had any big covers so far...and the usa today links showed it was mentioned, and the other showed it was tied for the lead in the poll. besides it was answer to what you said-it needs magazine covers, real and fansits covering it which it has. its not biasness, i proved you wrong is all. you said it had no hype and i proved you wrong.
I would only consider Premiere and Entertainment weekly major magazines that you listed. You have got to be kidding me listing Wizard on there when I think they are mainly a sci-fi comic book magazine. Empire is a brit magazine. Besides Premiere and Entertainment weekly normally puts cast members for an upcoming movie on the cover. It doesnt quite qualify big buzz that warrants a 300 million gross. I also remember Batman Begins making the cover of Premiere magazine yet its opening was below 50 million
I have also illustrated that the Superman movies in the past has not shown it will make the huge numbers yo0u are predicting. I know the first Superman made 360 adjusted but the first Batman movie made abo0ut 410 million adjusted yet BB didnt touch nowhere near that gross. Even the second Batman made more adjusted than Superman 2. And please dont tell me that Superman 2 was not well received but its adjusted gross went about 100 million below the first Superman. You have not shown any indication where Superman will make more than most people predict here especially when POTC 2 is opening in its second week
I just find it weird that the arguments more than a year ago about Batman Begins fail because its a restart and the last movie before that was horribly received, the same arguments dont apply at all for Superman Returns. Yet its restart is in a much worse shape than Batman Begins was
We are looking at a completely unknown cast except Kevin Spacey. An untested lead like Routh (can you even imagine how he will do at all if he goes on the circuit doing interviews promoting the movie?), the comparison between the Batman movies vs Superman movies showing Batman leading by a big margin even if yo0u exclude 3&4 from both series). A character that doesnt quite have the mystique of Spiderman or Batman. How many FX has you seen has shown people flying compared to people shooting webs from that hands? The villian once again is Lex Luthor as opposed to having a cool villian like Bizzaro or Brainiac in the movie instead. From the looks of it, it looks like a complete remake or restart but when you look at the remake trend last year most movies barely made enough to break even with their budget (Bewitched,Badnews Bears, Kong etc) except for CATCF or BB but they still had 150 million budgets attached. If Singer avoids completely to retell the same story like Kong did and modify the story completely like BB, the movie would do a bit better because quite frankly we are almost watching the same 1978 version of Superman
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El Maskado
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Magnus101 wrote: The only thing though is that Superman IV was 20 years ago. Most people don't evne know there is a Superman IV.
Also, BB was a film that was hard to market and was not marketed that well. First was the fact that WB had to convince people it was a re-start. Second was the fact that in an age of CGI, this did not have that many 'money' CGI shots(though it did have the shots of the Bat-tank but WB for some reason did not market those shots enough). Third, there no big villians. Scarecrtow was a minor villian in the film, and Ra's Al Ghul isn't revelaed until the very end.
Superman will have lots of 'money' shots of Superman just being Superman, and Lex Luthor, one of the most known villians, is in it and the main villian. Marketing for Superman will be very good, and with July 4th release date, it will open huge.
Legs, well they won't be so good but the huge opening will gurantee it 250m. And I think Singer can do a good enough job for it to get legs good enough for it to get pass 300m.
Keep in mind is that Superman II had Raiders of the Lost Ark, one of the biggest films EVER, open a week before it. That hurt it A LOT.
POTC2 will beat SR, but SR will still be huge.
Which is why I only used the first two Batman to compare with the first two Superman. Batman still wins hands down when the figures are adjusted. Unlike Batman Begins which is a restart, Superman Returns looks like a restart but instead of recreating the whole story like BB does, it seems to rehash the entire 1978 Superman movie. Look at how Kong turned out when it almost entirely rehased the 1933 Kong. They are even having the same exact villian as the 1978 version of Superman. I cant really imagine alot about the money shots that we havent already seen in over a dozen movies. Superman flies, Superman bends the railroad track, Superman diverts the missiles to a deserted wasteland. Lex Luthor implants kryptonite on Superman making him weak. See thats the thing alot of these stuff has already been shown in Matrix Reloaded, the Hulk and countless other summer movies. The thing that was interesting about Spiderman is it also gives us the first person point of view of the web coming out of Parker's hand or the detailed mechanical arms of Doc Oct. To me watching Superman again would be like watching Lois & Clark and Smallville with a bigger budget effect onscreen
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Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:18 pm |
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Excel
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El you got proved wrong and then contradicted your statement by saying batman begins had what you said movies with huge buzz have but batman didnt get too much money-why are you still arguing?
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Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:40 am |
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El Maskado
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excel wrote: El you got proved wrong and then contradicted your statement by saying batman begins had what you said movies with huge buzz have but batman didnt get too much money-why are you still arguing?
How did I even contradict myself? You were using covers for measly magazines like Premiere and Entertainment weekly to try and PROVE your point about Superman Returns getting alot of hype and buzz but I have stated that Batman Begins has also appeared on covers of those magazines yet it only had an opening less than 50 million. What part did you read wrong?
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asalem182
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Quote: If you're like me and always believed that the studios held back all kinds of coolness in their PG-13 movies, you ain't gonna be too happy to find out that this summer's SUPERMAN RETURNS is flirting with the idea of a PG rating, one full rank below PG-13, meaning even less debatable stuff for kids, or more importantly, less coolness for us adults
It seems WB are going after the kids. If SR ends up with a PG rating, I can't imagine it doing less than 200m. Even Fantastic 4 was PG-13.
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