Superman Returns won't outgross Batman Begins, unless it is of same quality (which is not very probable).

I don't know, of all the directors working in the superhero genre, I would say Singer is the most talented. There's no reason why Supes won't be incredible.

lecter, your flat out wrong. and for someone so good at predicting movies i cannot believe your so far off on this one....

superman will demolish batman 205 us/370 ww gross.....

what in the world is your reasoning for being so off track????

look at its release date. look at its budget. look at its studio.

do you honestly think theres even the slightest chance w.b. wont market their 250 million dollar baby well enough that it wont cross 200 million in the u.s.???

if war of the worlds,with all its tom cruise bad buzz and huge compitition got 230, superman will too.

I am talking about the domestic gross only.

So you think Superman will demolish Batman even if its reviews are on the same level with Fantastic Four?

But ya know....people were saying similar stuff about Ang Lee and Hulk. Saying that with a director like him, nothing can go wrong.

Now Singer has more experience with the genre and all, but the movie is six months away from its release and I have to see a single exciting bit for it.

you might not of seen anything but your being very,very naive if you think a 250 million dollar movie wont be exciting and that you cannot deney. this movies 43 million dollars more then kong....doi you realize that? what are you going to tel me now...kong wasnt exciting?

everybodys whose seen parts of the film says its been nailed...the scripts reviews say its fantastic....plus w.b. and disney are the only studios that have realized quality matters...and you think this will be a bad film?

superman wont be as abad as fantasic four...even if it is-somehow-it will will still out gross due to hype alone. its alock for atleast a 120 million first week due to inflated sunday and mondays..itll get that 80 million over the course of july with relative ease.

if its as bad as fantastic four itll stop aroudn 245 in the u.s.

what in the world is your reasoning for being so off track????

look at its release date. look at its budget. look at its studio.

do you honestly think theres even the slightest chance w.b. wont market their 250 million dollar baby well enough that it wont cross 200 million in the u.s.???

if war of the worlds,with all its tom cruise bad buzz and huge compitition got 230, superman will too.

First of all, you need to drop the $250 million figure. It also inculdes the money that went on the pre-production of previous Superman efforts that never got done. That, at least amounted to over $50 million, so the real budget is smaller than that.

Second of all, War of the Worlds had an extremely effective marketing that started early on, unlike Superman so far. Also, it was hailed as the next Jurassic Park and starred one of the most bankable stars of all time and was directed by the biggest director of all time.

Bad or even mediocre reviews will kill this movie. Same rule as it was for BB.
I mean not even the fanboys are really looking forward to this. that was what I did see for

BB:The more news there were the more exciting the fans have become. BB got a "Damn this time it will be right" factor

Supes: Well its more a "Singers cool and Supermans cool but do we really need a new one"?????



I really think if it is a very good movie this can be huge but Superman alone as a name will not safe it if its only mediocre.Not anymore.

if it was 2005 id agree, but now isay it, early marketing and starpower means SHIT.....
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hell batman begins had 2 trailers before sith had 1. it had 2posters before sith had one.

the only marketing that matter is what w.b. does in may and june. thats all. that is it.

as for star power, the only starpower that really works now is wether people think the actors are hot...otherwise sin city and batman begins woulda been the top films of last year.

war of the worlds got what it got cause of its release date and the tv spots.

but please stop the batman begins comparisons. this films circumstances have nothing in common. supermans circumstances are much more alike to the ones star wars faced in 1999. begins was restarting a franchise after 8 years...the old films were still fresh and known. superman its been 20 years. thats a huge huge HUGE difference.

and lector i follow this movie...250 is for returns itself. 100 million of its special effects alone, 22 million more then kong and superman probably wont be near 3 hours long.

the budget with previous costs is 326 million u.s. dollars. superman returns itself has aproduction budget of 250 million u.s dolalrs bryan singer the director said this himself. if you wanna argue with him, try.

come on man you're smarter than that.

-January 2006:
*Teaser trialer #2 airs with GLORY ROAD.

-February 2006:
*Televised trailer with SUPER BOWL(U.S.)
*Tie in with Winter Olympics in Torino, Italy
*Teaser Poster #2 and Cinema Cardboard cutout of Superman Returns official logo in cinemas across the World

-March 2006:
*4 Televised trailers air with NCAA basketball playoffs
*Theatrical Trailer #1 airs with ICE AGE 2: THE MELDOWN

-April 2006:
*Theatrical banners released.
*Character posters for SUPERMAN, CLARK KENT, LOIS LANE, LEX LUTHOR, and JIMMY OLSEN released.

-May 2006:
*TIME MAGAZINE front cover
*Advertisements for CHRYSLER,LAYS POTATO CHIPS,_______, VERIZON WIRELESS, NESTLE, GATORADE, and PANATRONICS ELECTRONICS begin to air on television.
*Picture advertisments with GATORADE, LAYS,______,and NESTLE are attatched to products
*Music videos and singles from KELLY CLARKSON and THE FOO FIGHTERS in endorsment for the movie are relased.
*60 MINUTES "making-of" special
*Kate Bosworth REVELON HAIR PRODUCTS ADVERTISEMENTS air
*MTV MOVIE AWARDS 2006 spoof
*12 televised trailers begin airing on prime time channels
*Brandon Routh interview with BARBRA WALTERS
*Merchandise release
*Theatrical Poster relased
*World wide billboard campaign with posters
*Theatrical trailer #2 airs with POSIEDON

-JUNE 2006(RELEASE)
*BRANDON ROUTH People magazine cover
*Advertisments from BURGER KING air on television.
*USA TODAY "MAN OF STEEL RETURNS" cover article
*12 televised trailers air on all stations beginning 6/13/06.
*Cast begins talk show appearences
*Toy and merchandise advertisements air on television.
*MTV making the movie special including SAVE SUPERMAN special
*FX inside look at the FX(special effects) in SUPERMAN RETURNS
*WORLD PREMIERE
*NBA FINALS 2006 tie ins air on television.
*TODAY SHOW - KELLY CLARKSON conecert and coundown to the film
*SUPERMAN RETURNS : THE VIDEO GAME release

^
they could do more

Superman has not always been huge as can be confirmed by the meagre grosses of 3 and 4. And no, I never thought that of the new sW films. SW is SW, it will never die. I'm still shocked that tpm didn't make a billion WW.

I sure dont see any hype or buzz for Superman that places it in the same category as the first Batman, Phantom Menace or Matrix Reloaded. I have no idea where you are getting all that buzz for Superman simply because he shows up on some magazine called Teen Beat

el, did you feel any hype for star wars at thios point last year?


thats a big NO.

THAT MARKETING PLAN IS SUBJECT to change-the super bowl spot has supposably fell through, which isnt that big of a deal. and the ice age 2 trailer might be switched to v for vendetta in order to save more for more tv spots in june.

everything in may n june seems to be corect from i have read.

magnus i dunno....pirates will be big but im having my doubts about its repeat value, especially if its the 2 hours/45 minute length of the first. superman will have an army of kids and parents linging up to see it week after week...while teens will get sick of pirates and head for comedies.

January 2006:
*Teaser trialer #2 airs with GLORY ROAD.

-February 2006:
*Televised trailer with SUPER BOWL(U.S.)
*Tie in with Winter Olympics in Torino, Italy
*Teaser Poster #2 and Cinema Cardboard cutout of Superman Returns official logo in cinemas across the World

-March 2006:
*4 Televised trailers air with NCAA basketball playoffs
*Theatrical Trailer #1 airs with ICE AGE 2: THE MELDOWN

-April 2006:
*Theatrical banners released.
*Character posters for SUPERMAN, CLARK KENT, LOIS LANE, LEX LUTHOR, and JIMMY OLSEN released. -TRUE

-May 2006:
*TIME MAGAZINE front cover -TRUE
*Advertisements for CHRYSLER,LAYS POTATO CHIPS,_______, VERIZON WIRELESS, NESTLE, GATORADE, and PANATRONICS ELECTRONICS begin to air on television.
*Picture advertisments with GATORADE, LAYS,______,and NESTLE are attatched to products
*Music videos and singles from KELLY CLARKSON and THE FOO FIGHTERS in endorsment for the movie are relased.
*60 MINUTES "making-of" special
*Kate Bosworth REVELON HAIR PRODUCTS ADVERTISEMENTS air
*MTV MOVIE AWARDS 2006 spoof
*12 televised trailers begin airing on prime time channels
*Brandon Routh interview with BARBRA WALTERS
*Merchandise release
*Theatrical Poster relased
*World wide billboard campaign with posters
*Theatrical trailer #2 airs with POSIEDON

-JUNE 2006(RELEASE)
*BRANDON ROUTH People magazine cover
*Advertisments from BURGER KING air on television.
*USA TODAY "MAN OF STEEL RETURNS" cover article
*12 televised trailers air on all stations beginning 6/13/06.
*Cast begins talk show appearences
*Toy and merchandise advertisements air on television.
*MTV making the movie special including SAVE SUPERMAN special
*FX inside look at the FX(special effects) in SUPERMAN RETURNS
*WORLD PREMIERE
*NBA FINALS 2006 tie ins air on television.
*TODAY SHOW - KELLY CLARKSON conecert and coundown to the film
*SUPERMAN RETURNS : THE VIDEO GAME release

THE FACT is,it is true that clarkson has amusic video with this, it was shot at fox studios a few months ago. its true that w.b. was looking into having a mtv tie in. its true thatbosworth has recently signed a contract with revelon, its true that posiedon got the trailer, its true that panatronics and verizon have deals.

if they know all that, and thats been damn hard to find, then i say the rest of this is probably accurate.

You cant compare SW which never had a movie below 200 million(300 million inflated) with Superman that had at the most 360 million inflated


Being attached to a major movie doesnt guarantee it will have a huge buzz. If anything is any indication, the teaser trailer had very underwhelming affect from audiences from what I read here.

YAY BABY!!

whaty about over seas? you CANNOT tell me that-after those tsunamis, earthqaukes, ect-they dont need a savior. hell supposably in the film supes stops a tsunami. if it gets 300 in the u.s.,, it should od at least 350/400 overseas.

the original superman was also the fifth biggest movie of all time in its first run when it released, other films like the sting and the excorcist and the godfather passed it due to re releases over the year,something superman hasnt had. so inflated it has 367 us/837 world wide. the current 5th biggest movie ever is episode 1 with 431/924..... superman could fall somewhere in between

I think Superman could go the way of T3. It is very possible you could see a 50 mill opening and end with about 175-180. Maybe I need to see some more marketing for this because the way it stands now, it looks quite tame and a little lame as well. And who the hell is the guy playing Superman? I just don't think the demand for a superman is there.

My early guess is:
55
183
400 WW

youd be surprised....supermans popularity never really goes down... it just rests. superman 1 was a smash in 1978,the biggest film of the year by a ton...superman 2 woulda out grossed it but it opened against a tiny little film it would crush called raiders of the lost arc.... superman 3 opened bigger then 1 and 2, but was an all around dissapointment and due to the bad taste form 3, 4 was a huge bomb and in 1987 superman was like batman in 1997-not wanted! so its 1987....so they wait and in the early 1990s superboy is a popular show and then lois n clarks a big hit with adults while the animated series becomes immensly popular with kids...it died out in the 1997 when both series ended and then superman again, was huge in 2001 with the smash hit smallville....now again its died out, waiting to resurface in summer 2006.

the demand really has never been higher actually. in 1998 everybody was like "oh yeah starwars coming back why not superman" and ya know...now theres more of a "ok, so where the hell is a new superman movie!?!

personally w.b.might have been start to wait...what happens, batman and robin bombs horrible, and the studio gets big pressure to make superman., then men in black-another comic book adaption-becomes the biggest film of 1997 other then titanic and suddenly superman gets the greenlight. its innnitial release date was memorial day 1998 with nicolas cage, kevin spcaey, jack nicholson, sandra bullock, and chris rock rounding out the cast and featueed superman driving a supermobile. it woulda squared off against juggernaut godzilla, then july 4th 1998 when it had armageddon....then it was memorial day 1999 but then star wars came and they pushed it back again to thanksgiving 99' then burton wanted sleep hollow, and they scraped the picture and made smallville in the meantime. cut to 2002, spidermans a huge hit and a huge script is turned by jj abrams that wos the execs(the scripts awesome...would maul spidermans gross to a pancake, ive read it)...trouble again happens....bryan singer comes in and his script,while just as expensive, is even better and hes given the grenlight and here we are.

There is absolutely no demand whatsoever for a SUPERMAN movie and mark my words: This movie WILL BOMB.. SUPERMAN died with Christopher Reeve and should stay dead..

I don't feel the demand for a Superman movie either. Where is this demand? How palapable is it? Youc an't say there is a demand because you want there to be one. And show me the ratings for Smallville. I don't ever remember it being in the top 20 in the last year or so. So sorry, the so called demand, is pretty much a manufactured one.

how exactly woulfd we able to tell if theres demand in the general public??? the toys are still popular and superman merchandise and especially those shirts the with the "S" logo seem to be getting very popular....

otherwise hwo would we know they wantr one without them saying they do?

Trailer reaction, movie fan sites dedicated to just the movie itself(old Superman stuff doesnt quite count). Major magazine cover like how Matrix Reloaded made the cover of Times Magazine 7 months before it came out. An extreme jump in merchandise which I havent really noticed. Baumer also brings up a good point about Smallvilles rating not reflecting the hype of Superman

look at a website-not forums- when they speak of the trailer. only good things said.
batman begins had more coverage on the net then any film of last year-what a blockbuster that was
supermans already a preimiere, entertainment weekly, usa today, wizard mag, covers and several other smaller magazine covers and a time cover in may 206.
i have noticed it a lot. i go to the mall and i see atleast 3-4 people wearing those "S"t shirts and superman toys have always been big.
smallville isnt superman is clark kent. the decline in ratings might indicate the audience is sick of clark n wants the real thing