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Eagle
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Code: Class Action Accuses Dell of Defrauding Customers
February 22, 2005 A San Francisco law firm has filed a class action suit against Dell Inc., the world's largest purveyor of personal computers, and financial partner CIT Bank, claiming that they are systematically deceiving customers who buy Dell products.
Dell uses multi-media advertising, bait-and-switch marketing tactics and false promises of low-cost financing to lure and defraud purchasers with installment payment schemes offered by Dell Financial Services (DFS), a joint venture between Dell and CIT Bank, the suit alleges.
Lerach Coughlin Stoia Geller Rudman & Robbins LLP filed a class action suit in Superior Court for San Francisco County against Dell, DFS and CIT on behalf of Dell customers who are victims of the giant global company and its lending service.
"We received too many complaints to ignore," said Reed R. Kathrein, a Lerach partner who filed the suit Feb. 14, before President Bush signed legislation restricting class actions.
"Dell offers one low-priced product and then substitutes a higher cost or lower quality item. Dell promises 'easy' credit but no one qualifies. It then charges unconscionable high interest and other credit charges. These practices must stop."
The case was filed on behalf of a San Francisco nurse who had limited experience with computers when she responded in 2003 to a Dell ad and bought a notebook computer listed at $599, along with an $89 printer. She was billed $1,352 for her order and, at the urging of Dell's sales person, financed her purchase through DFS at an undisclosed interest rate that turned out to be 27.74 to 38.82 percent.
A second plaintiff responded to a Dell email offer by ordering computer products online at http://www.dell.com. He received a confirmation of his order and billing rate, but the products that arrived were of a lesser quality. Efforts to reach Dell and resolve the matter were frustrating and unsuccessful, the attorneys said.
Because Dell equipment and services are sold exclusively by telephone and through Dell's Web site, customers view only pictures of the products prior to sale - never the product itself.
In 2004 Dell spent $300 million advertising its products on TV, in newspapers and catalogues and on the Internet. It shipped 5.4 million personal computers in the United States and generated $6 billion in revenue from U.S. consumers that year.
"Knowing that these consumers are not sophisticated, Dell nonetheless inundates them with a dizzying array of advertisements for Dell products," the complaint says. While the names of the computers, model numbers and pictures are usually consistent, the details of Dell offers vary from one ad to another and even from day to day or hour to hour, with "small print" disclaimers, the suit charges.
The complaint alleges that Dell preys on unsuspecting consumers with its scripted sales force, ever-changing ad offers and highly promoted "preferred" rates and "easy" financing packages which, without notice, then are changed to include much higher interest rates and hidden charges.
Dell is based in Round Rock, TX. CIT, a $50 billion commercial and consumer finance company, is located in Utah.
The suit charges Dell, DFS and CIT with violating California's Consumer Legal Remedies Act (CLRA) by false advertising and bait-and-switch practices; fraud and deceit in its sales and advertising representations; breach of contract by unilaterally modifying terms and conditions of sales and financing; violating the California Business and Professions Code by knowingly distributing false and misleading information; violating the Unruh Act with unlawful retail installment contracts; engaging in deceptive practices in its financing programs; and entering into unlawful contracts and charging excessive finance charges.
Ok, So who here has gotten screwed by Dell?
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Terminator1997
George A. Romero
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they probably framed the dell dude. they planted that weed on him!! I KNEW IT!!!

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Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:21 pm |
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lovemerox
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:16 pm Posts: 6499 Location: Down along the dixie line
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I have been screwed over by dell...but they were quick to fix the problem...
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:22 pm |
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Anonymous
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A dead giveaway:
The case was filed on behalf of a San Francisco nurse who had limited experience with computers when she responded in 2003 to a Dell ad and bought a notebook computer listed at $599, along with an $89 printer.
More like she didn't know what the hell she was doing and ordered a bunch of stuff for the computer that brought up the cost dramatically.
I wonder if she's ever overcharged insurance companies for her nursing services ;-)
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:33 pm |
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A. G.
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:23 am Posts: 13347
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I have a dell and it works perfect, never had a problem.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:33 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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Dell is fantastic. The best computer I've ever had. It's my baby. I'll kill all of you before I lose my DELL!
Well, it rocks.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:59 pm |
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Maximus
Hot Fuss
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:46 am Posts: 8427 Location: floridaaa
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I don't got Dell. Unfortunately, I got eMachine, err eLCRAPO. Atleast I gotta purdy 19in flat panel monitor. It's my lover.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:04 pm |
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Anonymous
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zach wrote: I don't got Dell. Unfortunately, I got eMachine, err eLCRAPO. Atleast I gotta purdy 19in flat panel monitor. It's my lover.
I dunno, eMachines is alright. I installed a bunch of them at my customers' stores and they've been working for about 6 months straight now without a hitch.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:06 pm |
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lovemerox
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zach wrote: I don't got Dell. Unfortunately, I got eMachine, err eLCRAPO. Atleast I gotta purdy 19in flat panel monitor. It's my lover.
typical hick computer :wink:
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:07 pm |
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Terminator1997
George A. Romero
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Krem wrote: zach wrote: I don't got Dell. Unfortunately, I got eMachine, err eLCRAPO. Atleast I gotta purdy 19in flat panel monitor. It's my lover. I dunno, eMachines is alright. I installed a bunch of them at my customers' stores and they've been working for about 6 months straight now without a hitch.
i had an emachines that worked great for 5 years. i rarely had any problems with it. i just recently got rid of it because it was just too old. i have a new model emachines and it has been running great so far.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:08 pm |
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Maximus
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Krem wrote: zach wrote: I don't got Dell. Unfortunately, I got eMachine, err eLCRAPO. Atleast I gotta purdy 19in flat panel monitor. It's my lover. I dunno, eMachines is alright. I installed a bunch of them at my customers' stores and they've been working for about 6 months straight now without a hitch.
I mean, it isn't horrible or anything, but the performance is disappointing. Sure, it's fast enough for me, but it was labeled as the equivalent of a 2.4G P4 when I bought it, and the thing is definately not that fast. I had a 1.2G P2 before, and it was just as fast. And this one has less on it.
The price was right, though. I just wish I went with Dell. ](*,)
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:09 pm |
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Terminator1997
George A. Romero
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i got a 2.93GHz eMachines with 80GB hard drive and 512 MB RAM with 17" Monitor and Printer for $399. Great bargain. It's a very good computer for the price.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:10 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
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Wow. eMachines love. I never thought i'd see that on the internet. Yeah, they're great computers. Cheap, and they last forever. My good friend had an eMachine for six years and it never had any problems. He just bought a new one that has lower specs than mine but seems to outperform it.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:11 pm |
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Terminator1997
George A. Romero
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i mean, i'm not praising eMachines, but they're solid workhorse computers for a bargain basement price. nothing spectacular but they get the job done if you are on a budget when it comes to computers.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:13 pm |
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Anonymous
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zach wrote: Krem wrote: zach wrote: I don't got Dell. Unfortunately, I got eMachine, err eLCRAPO. Atleast I gotta purdy 19in flat panel monitor. It's my lover. I dunno, eMachines is alright. I installed a bunch of them at my customers' stores and they've been working for about 6 months straight now without a hitch. I mean, it isn't horrible or anything, but the performance is disappointing. Sure, it's fast enough for me, but it was labeled as the equivalent of a 2.4G P4 when I bought it, and the thing is definately not that fast. I had a 1.2G P2 before, and it was just as fast. And this one has less on it. The price was right, though. I just wish I went with Dell. ](*,)
zach - it's the Video Card that's the bottleneck. eMachines, because of its low price, uses integrated graphics chip, which suck major ass in anything that's heavy on graphics (especially 3D). If you have an open AGP slot, install a new video card. If not, you can buy one that fits into a PCI slot. It's not as fast as AGP, but will still knock the socks off what's inside of it right now.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:18 pm |
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Maximus
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Terminator1997 wrote: i mean, i'm not praising eMachines, but they're solid workhorse computers for a bargain basement price. nothing spectacular but they get the job done if you are on a budget when it comes to computers.
heh, maybe it's just mine then. i dont care for it. but it was DEFINATELY a steal. It works for me. 
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:18 pm |
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Neostorm
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Krem wrote: zach wrote: Krem wrote: zach wrote: I don't got Dell. Unfortunately, I got eMachine, err eLCRAPO. Atleast I gotta purdy 19in flat panel monitor. It's my lover. I dunno, eMachines is alright. I installed a bunch of them at my customers' stores and they've been working for about 6 months straight now without a hitch. I mean, it isn't horrible or anything, but the performance is disappointing. Sure, it's fast enough for me, but it was labeled as the equivalent of a 2.4G P4 when I bought it, and the thing is definately not that fast. I had a 1.2G P2 before, and it was just as fast. And this one has less on it. The price was right, though. I just wish I went with Dell. ](*,) zach - it's the Video Card that's the bottleneck. eMachines, because of its low price, uses integrated graphics chip, which suck major ass in anything that's heavy on graphics (especially 3D). If you have an open AGP slot, install a new video card. If not, you can buy one that fits into a PCI slot. It's not as fast as AGP, but will still knock the socks off what's inside of it right now.
I bought an emachines. It's great but the graphics card didnt have pixel shader and i couldn't play my Thief game 
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:24 pm |
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lovemerox
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zach wrote: Terminator1997 wrote: i mean, i'm not praising eMachines, but they're solid workhorse computers for a bargain basement price. nothing spectacular but they get the job done if you are on a budget when it comes to computers. heh, maybe it's just mine then. i dont care for it. but it was DEFINATELY a steal. It works for me. 
Thats my old avatar from BOM!!!
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:25 pm |
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Maximus
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Krem wrote: zach wrote: Krem wrote: zach wrote: I don't got Dell. Unfortunately, I got eMachine, err eLCRAPO. Atleast I gotta purdy 19in flat panel monitor. It's my lover. I dunno, eMachines is alright. I installed a bunch of them at my customers' stores and they've been working for about 6 months straight now without a hitch. I mean, it isn't horrible or anything, but the performance is disappointing. Sure, it's fast enough for me, but it was labeled as the equivalent of a 2.4G P4 when I bought it, and the thing is definately not that fast. I had a 1.2G P2 before, and it was just as fast. And this one has less on it. The price was right, though. I just wish I went with Dell. ](*,) zach - it's the Video Card that's the bottleneck. eMachines, because of its low price, uses integrated graphics chip, which suck major ass in anything that's heavy on graphics (especially 3D). If you have an open AGP slot, install a new video card. If not, you can buy one that fits into a PCI slot. It's not as fast as AGP, but will still knock the socks off what's inside of it right now.
Hmm, never thought of that. Thanks, I will definately look into it.
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Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:26 pm |
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Miruvor
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lovemerox wrote: Thats my old avatar from BOM!!!
Ha!! I told you a long time ago to bring back
"THE Eyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....',
but you never listened. 
_________________ 'The stars in the sky... Bring tears to my eyes... They're lighting my way... tonight.
And I haven't felt so alive.. In years.'
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:40 am |
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Terminator1997
George A. Romero
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that disturbing eye is haunting me!!! AHHHHH!!! 
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:24 am |
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Ripper
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makeshift wrote: Wow. eMachines love. I never thought i'd see that on the internet. Yeah, they're great computers. Cheap, and they last forever. My good friend had an eMachine for six years and it never had any problems. He just bought a new one that has lower specs than mine but seems to outperform it.
I bought my family emachines computers, added in video cards, they have been up and running for awhile.
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:08 pm |
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makeshift
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Ripper wrote: makeshift wrote: Wow. eMachines love. I never thought i'd see that on the internet. Yeah, they're great computers. Cheap, and they last forever. My good friend had an eMachine for six years and it never had any problems. He just bought a new one that has lower specs than mine but seems to outperform it. I bought my family emachines computers, added in video cards, they have been up and running for awhile.
Yeah, everyone that I know that has an eMachine or has used an eMachine has said they're great little computers. When I replace the HP I have now, it'll either be with an eMachine or a Mac.
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:11 pm |
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rusty
rustiphica
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HP Kicks ass!
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:25 pm |
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makeshift
Teenage Dream
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rusty wrote: HP Kicks ass!
Not really. I'm using a Pavillion right now, and they seem to load their systems with spyware like shit. That, and my CD Drive doesn't work anymore.
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Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:27 pm |
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