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dolcevita
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 Greenspan cautious about U.S. economic future
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Greenspan.html?hp&ex=1100926800&en=7742175599d33b0e&ei=5094&partner=homepage wrote: Greenspan Says U.S. Deficits Pose a Risk
WASHINGTON (AP) --The persistence of bloated U.S. trade deficits over time can pose a risk to the U.S. economy, which thus far has proven resilient, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned Friday. Policy-makers must not get lulled into a sense of complacency, he said.
The broadest measure of trade, called the current account deficit, swelled to an all-time high of $166.2 billion in the second quarter of this year, the most recent period for which this information is available.
``Current account imbalances, per se, need not be a problem, but cumulative deficits ... raise more complex issues,'' Greenspan said in speech in Frankfurt, Germany. A copy of his remarks was distributed in Washington.
So far, foreigners are willing to lend the United States money to finance the current account imbalances, Greenspan pointed out. The worry, however, is that at some point foreigners might suddenly lose interest in holding dollar-denominated investments. That could cause foreigners to unload investments in U.S. stocks and bonds, sending their prices plunging and interest rates soaring.
The sliding value of the U.S. dollar has made some private economists more concerned about this potential risk...
The U.S. dollar has been persistently weak against the euro -- the currency used by 12 European countries. The dollar had dropped to a new record low against the euro on Thursday before bouncing back. The dollar fell again after Greenspan's speech.
The dollar's slide has been good for U.S. manufacturers because it makes their goods less expensive in foreign markets. But the corresponding rise of the euro makes European goods more expensive in foreign markets...
Wanting to keep inflation from becoming a danger to the economy, Fed policy-makers last week boosted short-term interest rates for a fourth time this year. The action left a key rate, called the federal funds rate, at 2 percent. The funds rate is the Fed primary tool for influencing economic activity...
President Bush says the best ways to handle the yawning trade deficits is to get other countries to remove trading barriers and open their markets to U.S. companies. Democrats, including John Kerry, Bush's former rival for the presidency, have blamed Bush's free-trade policies for the loss of U.S. jobs...
Greenspan said that although there's been evidence that ``among developed countries, current account deficits, even large ones, have been diffused without significant consequences, we cannot become complacent.''
Reducing the U.S. federal budget deficit, Greenspan said, would be an important action to boost U.S. savings. Continued flexibility in the U.S. economy also has been important in the economy's ability to absorb and rebound from economic shocks, he said...
Treasury Secretary John Snow, in comments earlier this week, appeared to rule out intervention, saying markets must set exchange rates. But private economists have said that other countries might be interested in taking action.
I'll be honest. Huh? The two statements I bolded confused me. First about European goods being more expensive, and secondly about American jobs vs. what I thought was a discussion about American sales. I'm abstaining from commenting personally yet, and just trying to understand the arguement. If American dollar was weaker, wouldn't it mean comapnies would want to stay here? Or is it just against the Euro, so companies still go elsewhere (which is what I think) but then we still don't have moeny to purchase? Or is it not about our purchasing power but about foreign markets buying American products or...I didn't seem to get this particular article for some reason. Anyone?
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:47 pm |
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John Doe
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 Re: Greenspan cautious about U.S. economic future
dolcevita wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/business/AP-Greenspan.html?hp&ex=1100926800&en=7742175599d33b0e&ei=5094&partner=homepage wrote: ...
The dollar's slide has been good for U.S. manufacturers because it makes their goods less expensive in foreign markets. But the corresponding rise of the euro makes European goods more expensive in foreign markets...
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I'll be honest. Huh? The two statements I bolded confused me. First about European goods being more expensive, and secondly about American jobs vs. what I thought was a discussion about American sales. I'm abstaining from commenting personally yet, and just trying to understand the arguement. If American dollar was weaker, wouldn't it mean comapnies would want to stay here? Or is it just against the Euro, so companies still go elsewhere (which is what I think) but then we still don't have moeny to purchase? Or is it not about our purchasing power but about foreign markets buying American products or...I didn't seem to get this particular article for some reason. Anyone?
All it says, is that if U.S. manufacturers sell their products in Europe, they can lower prices (and therefore sell cheaper and more volume than their European counterparts) or they can keep the prices the same (and reap higher profits because they get more dollars after exchanging their sales in Euros)... The second part of the statements describes the same situation but for the Europeans exporters selling their stuff here in the U.S. Assuming they keep the prices the same, they get back less Euros after exchange and their profits are lower also...
Hope it's clearer... :wink:
Regarding your comments, this has nothing to do with where the companies want to stay (or go)... These are just short-term fluctuations of the currency exchange rates that affect companies bottom lines, their financial strategies (which might possibly include their hedging strategies also), not their business operating strategies...
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:00 pm |
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If the American dollar is weaker (and it's not just weaker against the Euro, it is weaker across the board), then it makes American-made goods more attractive, since they're priced in dollars and their price changes with inflation, not with currency rate shifts. Consequently, it makes European-made products relatively more expensive. That's why if you're a traveler, it sucks to spend money abroad now.
The jobs tidbit is unrelated; John Kerry seems to think (or, more likely, wants to create that impression) that free market is a zero-sum game. It is not; if the markets are free, the companies can outsource American jobs to cheap-labor countries, but they can also import cheaper goods. The net result benefits both the U.S. AND the country where we outsourced our labor to.
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:03 pm |
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wertham
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Krem wrote: The jobs tidbit is unrelated; John Kerry seems to think (or, more likely, wants to create that impression) that free market is a zero-sum game. It is not; if the markets are free, the companies can outsource American jobs to cheap-labor countries, but they can also import cheaper goods. The net result benefits both the U.S. AND the country where we outsourced our labor to.
The point is moot. Dubya is only a free trader when it suits HIM. For example, he slaps all sorts of tariffs on Canadin lumber.
And let me take this opportunity to remind you, K, of my pre-election prediction that the US economy would be in critical condition by 2006, and it WILL be an issue. These are the 1920s all over again, and that decade proved to be the undoing of the GOP for quite some time.
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:54 pm |
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wertham wrote: Krem wrote: The jobs tidbit is unrelated; John Kerry seems to think (or, more likely, wants to create that impression) that free market is a zero-sum game. It is not; if the markets are free, the companies can outsource American jobs to cheap-labor countries, but they can also import cheaper goods. The net result benefits both the U.S. AND the country where we outsourced our labor to. The point is moot. Dubya is only a free trader when it suits HIM. For example, he slaps all sorts of tariffs on Canadin lumber. And let me take this opportunity to remind you, K, of my pre-election prediction that the US economy would be in critical condition by 2006, and it WILL be an issue. These are the 1920s all over again, and that decade proved to be the undoing of the GOP for quite some time.
I agree with you that Dubya has accepted some dubious (haha, I'm witty) trade proposals. However, between him and Kerry, the choice is pretty clear, when it comes to opening the trade.
ANd if your economy prediction is as good as your Marvel prediction by 2006, I'll be sending you some cheesesteaks from down here (assuming I have the money left over :-D)
You're going to have to define what you mean by critical condition, though. Something objective ought to do the trick.
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:04 pm |
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wertham
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Krem wrote: You're going to have to define what you mean by critical condition, though. Something objective ought to do the trick. "One should always play fairly when one has the winning cards." - Oscar Wilde :wink: OK, I'll play this hand... because I've actually been giving some thought to this recently. (And I won't get sidetracked on the Kerry thing. Most people agree he wasn't a good candidate and his campaign sucked... so in retrospect, it was a mistake to back him, Dem or no. It's just that Dems are - typically - better money-managers than this particular crop of GOPs. Some economic growth is sustainable, but a lot of it isn't.) critical? Well, that's how I would describe YOUR condition if you had to borrow, oh, say 10 million dollars to pay your bills last year... and you actually make 50k per, and you will never pull back six figures if your life depended on it. You may have to work till you're 80 to pay it all back, but no one's going to wait that long. the point I'm trying to make: all this military spending is going to get America nothing but broke.... and you can be sure that the Croesuses of Europe would have to be insane to extend all this credit indefinitely. Quote: How far can the decline in home bias and the increase in the variance of current account balances be expected to proceed, and where will it lead?
Current account imbalances, per se, need not be a problem, but cumulative deficits, which result in a marked decline of a country's net international investment position--as is occurring in the United States--raise more complex issues. The U.S. current account deficit has risen to more than 5 percent of GDP. Because the deficit is essentially the change in net claims against U.S. residents, the U.S. net international investment position excluding valuation adjustments must also be declining in dollar terms at an annual pace equivalent to roughly 5 percent of U.S. GDP.
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 8:41 pm |
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OK, so what will be the objective measure of the U.S. economy doing badly?
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Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:58 pm |
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wertham
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Krem wrote: OK, so what will be the objective measure of the U.S. economy doing badly? Interest rates, for starters. Quote: Pressure grows for US budget fix amid dollar drop Fri Nov 19, 2004 04:56 PM ET By Tim Ahmann
WASHINGTON, Nov 19 (Reuters) - A drop in the value of the U.S. dollar cannot by itself bring better balance to global trade without raising both U.S. interest rates and recession risks, economists and a growing chorus of policy-makers say.
U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan was the latest top official to press Washington publicly to add deficit cuts to the rebalancing process -- which markets seem to have set in motion already by sending the dollar lower.
The Fed chief hit U.S. stock and bond markets and deepened the greenback's tailspin when he said on Friday that a dollar drop was inevitable given the United States' record reliance on foreign investors to fuel spending.
He chastised U.S. fiscal policy-makers, saying cutting the bloated budget deficit was the best way to fix global distortions without painful solutions.
A sharp dollar fall could push up import prices and force the Fed to raise interest rates to ward off inflation.
Greenspan's words amplified recent warnings from others at the U.S. central bank and the International Monetary Fund, as well as pleas from policy-makers in Europe, which is now creaking under the burden of a record-high euro currency.
BTW: Don't hold your breath waiting for the red states to rescue the failing economy. But then again, maybe Jesus will return after all and fix everything :wink:
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Sat Nov 20, 2004 5:07 am |
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wertham
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Greenspan Sounds Alarm
Fed Chairman Warns Against Deficit Complacency
By Nell Henderson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 20, 2004; Page E01
Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan yesterday urged the federal government to reduce its budget deficit and to encourage greater personal saving, warning that foreign investors will not finance endless growth in America's huge trade gap.
Greenspan, speaking at a banking conference in Germany, repeated that he believes market forces probably will rein in the trade gap without provoking a financial crisis. But he expressed more concern about the issue than in previous remarks, saying, "We cannot become complacent."
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:22 am |
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wertham
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 And you call US crazy?
Congress pushes credit limit to $8 trillion US
WASHINGTON - The U.S. Congress has approved adding another $800 billion US to the country's debt limit, allowing the government to increase the debt to $8.18 trillion US.
The House of Representatives approved the new limit Thursday night by a vote of 208-204, largely along Republican and Democrat lines, a day after it was passed by the Senate.
President George W. Bush is expected to sign the new measure into law by Monday.
The new law will increase the amount the government is allowed to borrow in order to avoid budgetary shortfalls.
Over four years, the Bush administration has increased the allowable debt level by $2.23 trillion.
That's more than the total actual debt the U.S. accumulated from its founding through 1986.
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Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:28 am |
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wertham
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 Greenspan Hits the Trifecta: Dollar's Decline Inevitable
Quote: Is anyone wondering why Alan Greenspan waited until after the election to announce what most economists have known for years: that foreign central banks are not going to keep up their current lending to us indefinitely? The statement last week, expressed in typically round-about "Greenspan-speak," was just clear enough to send the stock market, the bond market, and the dollar all reeling. In horse-racing parlance, he hit the trifecta.
Here is the problem: the United States has been importing a lot more than we are exporting, to the point where we are now borrowing nearly 6 percent of our national income from the rest of the world. This is not sustainable: if you project this rate of borrowing out a few years, you end up with levels of foreign debt that almost no developed country has ever had.
The only feasible way to reduce this foreign borrowing to a sustainable level -- we don't have to have balanced trade -- is for the U.S. dollar to fall against other currencies. This would increase the price of our imports, and reduce the price of our exports to other countries. This is not a bad thing -- in fact it is not only inevitable but necessary in order to save what is left of our manufacturing sector and yes, even recover some of the jobs in that sector that have been lost.
Since 2000 we have lost almost 3 million manufacturing jobs, and the number one cause of this hemorrhaging is actually the overvaluation of the U.S. dollar. If the dollar is overvalued by 30 percent, this is equivalent to giving a 30 percent subsidy to imports entering our markets. At the same time, it is also the same as having U.S. companies face a 30 percent tariff on everything that they export abroad.
It is an understatement to call this a huge disadvantage for U.S. manufacturers. And since wages in the manufacturing sector have historically been higher and have often driven wages in other sectors, the loss of these jobs is one of the causes of increasing income inequality in the United States.
Unfortunately most of our policy makers do not care much about any of these things. Wall Street prefers an overvalued dollar because it keeps inflation low by making imports cheap, and it also makes it cheaper to acquire assets (and hire labor) overseas.
So both the Clinton and Bush administrations have officially embraced a policy of maintaining a "strong dollar." This sounds very nice but is comparable to a doctor pursuing a "strong influenza virus" policy for his patients.
In any case we have now reached the point where private foreign investors are no longer financing our foreign borrowing -- it is foreign governments, primarily China and Japan, that are doing this for political reasons of their own. But as Mr. Greenspan noted, this cannot go on indefinitely. By choosing to hold their reserves in dollars instead of Euros, for example, they have already lost hundreds of billions of dollars over the past two years. Many developing countries who can afford it even less are also facing significant losses by continuing to hold dollars.
The overvalued dollar is a bubble, like our stock market bubble prior to 2000. In fact the stock market bubble contributed to the dollar's overvaluation by attracting large amounts of foreign capital to the U.S. stock market. Greenspan is right to call attention to the dollar bubble. He was also right when he briefly pointed to the possibility of "irrational exuberance" of the stock market at the end of 1996. Unfortunately he subsequently backed off from those remarks and allowed the stock market bubble to grow to dangerous proportions.
Our stock market bubble burst in 2000-2002, but it could conceivably have gone on much longer. If so, the consequences when it burst would have been even worse. This is even more true of the dollar bubble, since every year that the dollar remains overvalued costs us hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs.
The adjustment to a lower dollar will not be painless, since higher import prices will add to inflation, and long-term interest rates will almost certainly rise from their extraordinarily low levels of today. But there is no sense in remaining in denial.
Mark Weisbrot is co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.
http://www.cepr.net/columns/weisbrot/gr ... ifecta.htm
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wertham
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 Debtor Nation
Robert Reich, Paul Krugman, Stephen Roach. All say the economy is tanking. Not might tank. Not eventually tank. It's happening. Here, Robert Reich sketches out the sources of our self-made economic hole. Debtâ€â€both consumer and federal. This is the real deal, folks.
Robert B. Reich is the Maurice B. Hexter Professor of Social and Economic Policy at Brandeis University, and was the secretary of labor under former President Bill Clinton.
Quote: The holiday buying season is upon us. You might as well spend your cash now because the dollar is dropping like a stone in international currency markets. It’s dropped nearly 30 percent since 2001, and is now at a record low. Even without the recent dour pronouncements of Alan Greenspan and Treasury Secretary John Snow, the greenback is likely to fall further. And the reason is simple: We’re living beyond our means. American consumers are deep in debt. The nation is importing more than we’re exporting. Most importantly, the federal budget deficit is out of control.
Nearly all of the increase in public debt over the last four years -- some 1 trillion dollars -- has been financed by foreigners, lending us the money. But who wants to lend more and more to a drunken sailor? Foreigners are bailing out of dollars. Even the Chinese and Japanese, who have kept lending so we’ll keep buying their exports, are starting to wise up.
American exporters are cheering because a lower dollar makes everything they sell abroad cheaper. But it’s bad for the rest of us because as the dollar drops everything we buy from abroad -- including oil -- becomes that much more expensive. And these higher prices will ripple through the economy, threatening inflation and higher interest rates -- and, ultimately, reducing our living standards.
It’s one of the oldest of economic laws: When you’re living too high on the hog, eventually you’re gonna fall off and find yourself in pig slop.
Riding highest on the hog right now is the federal government, with a budget deficit of over $400 billion this year. Surprise, surprise! It turns out that cutting taxes while waging an expensive war and doling out corporate welfare leads to red ink. If I were cynical, I’d suspect the White House had an ideological agenda to starve the government so it can’t do much of anything in the future except wage war. But whatever the motivation, the deficits are driving the dollar down and subjecting America to huge economic risks. The sensible move would be to roll back the Bush tax cuts, but don’t hold your breath.
In the meantime, enjoy the holiday buying season, folks. And here’s a buying tip: With the dollar dropping, the nicest and safest gift you can give a friend or loved one is ... gold. But you better move fast. As the dollar drops, the price of gold is soaring
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wertham
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Krugman: Economic Crisis a Question of When, Not If
Mon Nov 22, 2004 02:22 PM ET
By Pedro Nicolaci da Costa
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The economic policies of President Bush have set the country on a dangerous course that will likely end in crisis, Princeton economics professor Paul Krugman told Reuters in an interview.
Krugman, who may be best known for his opinion column in The New York Times, said he was concerned that Bush's electoral victory over Sen. John Kerry earlier this month would only reinforce the administration's unwillingness to listen to dissenting opinions.
That, in turn, could spell serious trouble for the U.S. economy, which under Bush's first term was plagued by soaring deficits, waning investor confidence and anemic job creation.
"This is a group of people who don't believe that any of the rules really apply," said Krugman. "They are utterly irresponsible."
Krugman is currently taking some time off from journalism to write and promote the second installment of his latest project -- economics textbooks aimed at making the science more accessible to college students.
In the meantime, however, he worries the Bush administration's fiscal policies are going to push the world's largest economy into a rut.
The most immediate worry for Krugman is that Bush will simultaneously push through more tax cuts and try to privatize social security, ignoring a chorus of economic thinkers who caution against such measures.
"If you go back and you look at the sources of the blow-up of Argentine debt during the 1990s, one little-appreciated thing is that social security privatization was a important source of that expansion of debt," said Krugman.
In 2001, Argentina finally defaulted on an estimated $100 billion in debt, the largest such event in modern economic history.
BANANA REPUBLIC?
"So if you ask the question do we look like Argentina, the answer is a whole lot more than anyone is quite willing to admit at this point. We've become a banana republic."
Crisis might take many forms, he said, but one key concern is the prospect that Asian central banks may lose their appetite for U.S. government debt, which has so far allowed the United States to finance its twin deficits.
A deeper plunge in the already battered U.S. dollar is another possible route to crisis, the professor said.
The absence of any mention of currencies in a communique from the Group of 20 rich and emerging market countries this past weekend only reinforced investors' perception that the United States, while saying it promotes a strong dollar, is willing to let its currency slide further.
"The break can come either from the Reserve Bank of China deciding it has enough dollars, thank you, or from private investors saying 'I'm going to take a speculative bet on a dollar plunge,' which then ends up being a self-fulfilling prophecy," Krugman opined. "Both scenarios are pretty unnerving."
In the longer-term, Bush's version of social security reform, which Krugman says would relegate pensions for the elderly to the whims of volatile financial markets, could have wide-ranging implications for future generations.
The only bright spot in having Bush in power for another four years, said Krugman, is that further economic mismanagement might trigger some sort of popular outcry.
"I do believe at some point there is going to be a popular tidal wave against what has happened," concluded Krugman. "In the meantime, you keep banging on the drum, you keep telling the truth.
"And then eventually we have the great demonstrations, which I think are important to let the government know that many Americans are not happy with what is happening," he said.
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