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Nebs wrote:
Three men have dinner in a restaurant. The waiter comes with the bill and it is $75. The three men decide to pay for the bill together and they each pay $25. The waiter brings the money to the manager, who notices that the calculation was wrong. The dinner did not cost $75, but $70. The manager hands the waiter five one-dollar bills and tells him to give it back to the three men. The waiter for a moment wonders how to divide five bills among three people. Finally, he decides that they had not given him a tip yet. So he gives each of them one dollar back and keeps the two remaining.

The three men have now paid $24 each. $24 x 3 = $72. Then there are the two dollars that the waiter kept, making the total $74. But where did the last dollar of the original $75 go?"

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Trick question. $75 is only there to confuse people. They only need to pay $70, and each paid $24, so that's $72 total, and the extra $72-$70 = $2 went to the waiter.


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xiayun wrote:
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While I'm thinking about Nebs' riddle, I'll post another one of mine...


John, Jack and Jeremy sat down to eat. John had 5 hot-dogs with him while Jack had 3. Jeremy, however, didn't have any, so he asked for a permission to eat with them. They ate all their hot-dogs together. ach of them ate the same amount of food (=hot-dogs). In the end Jeremy gave them 8 dollars and went away. Now there was a question how to share the money. John's and Jack's friends made different suggestions. Most said that John should get $5 and Jack $3, one even said that John should get $7 and Jack $1 while the rest said that each of them should get $4.

What would be the fairest solution?


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Jack bought 3 but ate 8/3, so he spent 1/3 of hot dog extra. John bought for 5 but also only ate 8/3, so he spent 7/3 extra. So John should get $7 and Jack gets $1.



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Dr. Lecter wrote:
While I'm thinking about Nebs' riddle, I'll post another one of mine...


John, Jack and Jeremy sat down to eat. John had 5 hot-dogs with him while Jack had 3. Jeremy, however, didn't have any, so he asked for a permission to eat with them. They ate all their hot-dogs together. ach of them ate the same amount of food (=hot-dogs). In the end Jeremy gave them 8 dollars and went away. Now there was a question how to share the money. John's and Jack's friends made different suggestions. Most said that John should get $5 and Jack $3, one even said that John should get $7 and Jack $1 while the rest said that each of them should get $4.

What would be the fairest solution?

Lol, I'm a financial analyst by trade, so I solve problems like this (OK, slightly harder) every day.

Anywho where's the answer (highlight): Since Jeremy left 8 bucks, and each of them ate 8/3 hotdogs, then each hotdog cost $3 (MIGHTY EXPENSIVE). Since John had 5 hotdogs, he spent 15 dollars, and ate 8 dollars' worth. Therefore, he should get 7 dollars. Jack should get the remaining dollar. The one guy with the answer was right


Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:22 pm
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Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


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Nebs wrote:
Here's something I found...not sure if it exactly fits the thread.

There is a common English word that is nine letters long. Each time you remove a letter from it, it still remains an English word - from nine letters right down to a single letter. What is the original word, and what are the words that it becomes after removing one letter at a time?


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I would start from 1 letter and go back up. So I guess I have to start with "I", then "In", then "sin", then "sing", then "sting", then "string", then "staring", then "starting", then "startling". So the original word is Startling.


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Dr. Lecter wrote:
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Seriously, Krem did very well and he is the FIRST PERSON I KNOW, who solved this one. I gave it to my math teacher and after a week, she still couldn't get it.


LOL. Maybe it is time to find a new teacher, he doesn't seem that smart.

Also, I wish I was home, I could have answered this in 1 minute.

How.

Wasn't it in the movie Die Hard with a Vengenance in the scene at the fountain only using water jugs, water and a fake bomb.


No, that, even I would have solved in less than a minute, smartass. :)


hehehehehe, Acting like Lecter.

I was just pointing out that it was in that movie. Surprised no one else caught that.

hehehehehe


Argh, don't you get that it WAS NOT in the movie? The riddle that was in the movie is a very well-known one and a very easy one, unlike the one I have posted.


??? It is the same riddle with 5 & 3 gallon jugs. ???

In a pub, the barkeeper has two containers for liquids. One fits 5 pints and the other one 3 pints. He also has a big cask of beer. What he needs is to end up with one pint of beer in EACH of the containers. However, he is not allowed to use any measurment instruments or any other containers or glasses etc. aside from what he has.

If it is a well known one, please post it cause I think it is the same.


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Goldie wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Goldie wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Goldie wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Seriously, Krem did very well and he is the FIRST PERSON I KNOW, who solved this one. I gave it to my math teacher and after a week, she still couldn't get it.


LOL. Maybe it is time to find a new teacher, he doesn't seem that smart.

Also, I wish I was home, I could have answered this in 1 minute.

How.

Wasn't it in the movie Die Hard with a Vengenance in the scene at the fountain only using water jugs, water and a fake bomb.


No, that, even I would have solved in less than a minute, smartass. :)


hehehehehe, Acting like Lecter.

I was just pointing out that it was in that movie. Surprised no one else caught that.

hehehehehe


Argh, don't you get that it WAS NOT in the movie? The riddle that was in the movie is a very well-known one and a very easy one, unlike the one I have posted.


??? It is the same riddle with 5 & 3 gallon jugs. ???

In a pub, the barkeeper has two containers for liquids. One fits 5 pints and the other one 3 pints. He also has a big cask of beer. What he needs is to end up with one pint of beer in EACH of the containers. However, he is not allowed to use any measurment instruments or any other containers or glasses etc. aside from what he has.

If it is a well known one, please post it cause I think it is the same.

The movie riddle had Willis come up with 4 gallons of water. This problem is very different.


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Krem wrote:
Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


I don't see any way it would help you. It's 50/50. The only thing you can assume is that the host does or doesn't want you to win. In that case, you would act based on the host's motives. Otherwise, I don't see how you can know anything about the odds beyond it being a 50/50 chance.


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Mr. Rose had a flock of geese which he was selling. At first he sold half of his flock and and a half of a goose to Mr. Tyler. Then he sold a third of what he had left and a third of a goose to Mr. Foster. After that he sold one fourth of the rest and three-fourth of a goose to Mr. Jacobe. In the end he sold one fifth of the rest of his flock and a fifth of a goose above that to Mr. Coller.

After all that he had 19 geese left....

How many geese did he have in his flock at the beginning


PS: No geese were harmed in this riddle

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Goldie wrote:

??? It is the same riddle with 5 & 3 gallon jugs. ???

In a pub, the barkeeper has two containers for liquids. One fits 5 pints and the other one 3 pints. He also has a big cask of beer. What he needs is to end up with one pint of beer in EACH of the containers. However, he is not allowed to use any measurment instruments or any other containers or glasses etc. aside from what he has.

If it is a well known one, please post it cause I think it is the same.


Read Krem's reply :)

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Mr. Rose had a flock of geese which he was selling. At first he sold half of his flock and and a half of a goose to Mr. Tyler. Then he sold a third of what he had left and a third of a goose to Mr. Foster. After that he sold one fourth of the rest and three-fourth of a goose to Mr. Jacobe. In the end he sold one fifth of the rest of his flock and a fifth of a goose above that to Mr. Coller.

After all that he had 19 geese left....

How many geese did he have in his flock at the beginning


PS: No geese were harmed in this riddle

Oh come one, now we're down to the third-grade level

This isn't a lateral-thinking puzzle, it's about multiplication :roll:


Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:35 pm
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Krem wrote:
Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


I don't see any way it would help you. It's 50/50. The only thing you can assume is that the host does or doesn't want you to win. In that case, you would act based on the host's motives. Otherwise, I don't see how you can know anything about the odds beyond it being a 50/50 chance.

This is the first answer that comes to almost anyone's mind.

There is more to this problem than it seems like at first sight.


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Krem wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Mr. Rose had a flock of geese which he was selling. At first he sold half of his flock and and a half of a goose to Mr. Tyler. Then he sold a third of what he had left and a third of a goose to Mr. Foster. After that he sold one fourth of the rest and three-fourth of a goose to Mr. Jacobe. In the end he sold one fifth of the rest of his flock and a fifth of a goose above that to Mr. Coller.

After all that he had 19 geese left....

How many geese did he have in his flock at the beginning


PS: No geese were harmed in this riddle

Oh come one, now we're down to the third-grade level

This isn't a lateral-thinking puzzle, it's about multiplication :roll:


I have to translate all those in English and this was the shortest one. I won't write up a novel here at 4:40 am :lol:

Nest time I think I'll go back to the riddles I did at BOM with the island of Liars and Knights....

As for your problem, there is indeed more to it...probably has to do with the probability...

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Mr. Rose had a flock of geese which he was selling. At first he sold half of his flock and and a half of a goose to Mr. Tyler. Then he sold a third of what he had left and a third of a goose to Mr. Foster. After that he sold one fourth of the rest and three-fourth of a goose to Mr. Jacobe. In the end he sold one fifth of the rest of his flock and a fifth of a goose above that to Mr. Coller.

After all that he had 19 geese left....

How many geese did he have in his flock at the beginning


PS: No geese were harmed in this riddle



I think I got it:
101 in the beginning
51 to Mr. Tyler
17 to Mr. Foster
9 to Mr. Jacobe
5 to Mr. Coller


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Krem wrote:
DP07 wrote:
Krem wrote:
Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


I don't see any way it would help you. It's 50/50. The only thing you can assume is that the host does or doesn't want you to win. In that case, you would act based on the host's motives. Otherwise, I don't see how you can know anything about the odds beyond it being a 50/50 chance.

This is the first answer that comes to almost anyone's mind.

There is more to this problem than it seems like at first sight.


More then you said? I don't see what that can be other then something to do with the Host's motives.

Simple fact:
If the host intended to open a door with a goat, he could have done that regardless of whether you picked one with a goat or the car.

If the host only decided to do so depending on which door you picked, that goes into the host's motives.


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Krem wrote:
Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


Let's see...

In the beginning there is a chance of 3:1 to pick the car and a chance of 2:3 to pick the goats. Let's say you picked the goats which is rather likely than likely without knowing what is behind each door. There is a 2:3 chance to get the goats. That means there are two chances in three to get the goats and only one to get the car. If you get the goat (and there is a higher chance to) and you switch, then you win the car. The chance to win a car is 2:3 if you switch.
right?

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DP07 wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Mr. Rose had a flock of geese which he was selling. At first he sold half of his flock and and a half of a goose to Mr. Tyler. Then he sold a third of what he had left and a third of a goose to Mr. Foster. After that he sold one fourth of the rest and three-fourth of a goose to Mr. Jacobe. In the end he sold one fifth of the rest of his flock and a fifth of a goose above that to Mr. Coller.

After all that he had 19 geese left....

How many geese did he have in his flock at the beginning


PS: No geese were harmed in this riddle



I think I got it:
101 in the beginning
51 to Mr. Tyler
17 to Mr. Foster
9 to Mr. Jacobe
5 to Mr. Coller


Yep! :)

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Dr. Lecter wrote:
Krem wrote:
Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


Let's see...

In the beginning there is a chance of 3:1 to pick the car and a chance of 2:3 to pick the goats. Let's say you picked the goats which is rather likely than likely without knowing what is behind each door. There is a 2:3 chance to get the goats. That means there are two chances in three to get the goats and only one to get the car. If you get the goat (and there is a higher chance to) and you switch, then you win the car. The chance to win a car is 2:3 if you switch.
right?


Absolutely correct.

Highlight for more

A better way to think about this is if you had 100 doors, with 1 car and 99 goats. You pick a door, then the host opens 98 doors with goats. Now you have 1 door with a goat, and one with a car. The chance for picking a car in the beginning was 1 in 100; therefore, the chance that the car is the same chance that the car was behind one of the doors that you didn't pick, which is 99%. If you want the car, you should switch ;-)


Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:53 pm
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DP07 wrote:
Krem wrote:
DP07 wrote:
Krem wrote:
Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


I don't see any way it would help you. It's 50/50. The only thing you can assume is that the host does or doesn't want you to win. In that case, you would act based on the host's motives. Otherwise, I don't see how you can know anything about the odds beyond it being a 50/50 chance.

This is the first answer that comes to almost anyone's mind.

There is more to this problem than it seems like at first sight.


More then you said? I don't see what that can be other then something to do with the Host's motives.

Simple fact:
If the host intended to open a door with a goat, he could have done that regardless of whether you picked one with a goat or the car.

If the host only decided to do so depending on which door you picked, that goes into the host's motives.

Regardless of host's motives, there is always a goat behind one of the doors you didn't pick. The host always opens a door with a goat from the two that you didn't pick.


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Krem wrote:
Dr. Lecter wrote:
Krem wrote:
Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


Let's see...

In the beginning there is a chance of 3:1 to pick the car and a chance of 2:3 to pick the goats. Let's say you picked the goats which is rather likely than likely without knowing what is behind each door. There is a 2:3 chance to get the goats. That means there are two chances in three to get the goats and only one to get the car. If you get the goat (and there is a higher chance to) and you switch, then you win the car. The chance to win a car is 2:3 if you switch.
right?


Absolutely correct.

Highlight for more

A better way to think about this is if you had 100 doors, with 1 car and 99 goats. You pick a door, then the host opens 98 doors with goats. Now you have 1 door with a goat, and one with a car. The chance for picking a car in the beginning was 1 in 100; therefore, the chance that the car is the same chance that the car was behind one of the doors that you didn't pick, which is 99%. If you want the car, you should switch ;-)


That is, indeed, a better way to explain it. :)

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For Krem's 'riddle'.

At first there was 33% chance to get it right, and after host opened the door, again 33% is probability you got it right, so nothing changed in that regard. More chances to win if you switch doors.


And xiayun got both mine. :=)


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Krem wrote:
DP07 wrote:
Krem wrote:
DP07 wrote:
Krem wrote:
Haha, everyone beat me to the answer.

But i was watching World Series

Anywho, this is the problem I posted in the BOM forums, and it seems like nobody had a chance to think about it.

It's called the Monty Hall problem:

Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?


I don't see any way it would help you. It's 50/50. The only thing you can assume is that the host does or doesn't want you to win. In that case, you would act based on the host's motives. Otherwise, I don't see how you can know anything about the odds beyond it being a 50/50 chance.

This is the first answer that comes to almost anyone's mind.

There is more to this problem than it seems like at first sight.


More then you said? I don't see what that can be other then something to do with the Host's motives.

Simple fact:
If the host intended to open a door with a goat, he could have done that regardless of whether you picked one with a goat or the car.

If the host only decided to do so depending on which door you picked, that goes into the host's motives.

Regardless of host's motives, there is always a goat behind one of the doors you didn't pick. The host always opens a door with a goat from the two that you didn't pick.


Ok, I get the logic behind it, although I don't really like it that much. It's all based on the assumption that the host will open a door with a goat behind it. However, from the original problem it isn't stated thathe would always do so. In fact, in a real life situation I would think that the host might only open another door if you have already picked the door with the car. In any case, the solution to the problem all depends on the host's inability to open the door with the car.


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Ok, I get the logic behind it, although I don't really like it that much. It's all based on the assumption that the host will open a door with a goat behind it. However, from the original problem it isn't stated thathe would always do so. In fact, in a real life situation I would think that the host might only open another door if you have already picked the door with the car. In any case, the solution to the problem all depends on the host's inability to open the door with the car.

It just assumes that the host is truthful, that's all.


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The Island of Liars and Knights


Those are the riddles about the Island of Liars and Knights. This island is exclusively populated by Liars and Knights:

Liars - Inhabitans of the Island who ALWAYS lie

Knights - Inhabitans of the island who ALWAYS say the truth

(I posted some of them on BOM and I'll post the same ones again here because they are kind of connected to each other, so you can solve the ones you already have again before I'll start posting new ones)


An anthropologist named Abercrombie arrives at the Island of Liars and Knights. He knows that the island is populated by Liars and Knights and that it cannot be determined by outward appearance who is a Liar and who isn't.

First of all, Abercrombie wants to find a way to the biggest town. He meets three inhabitans of the island whose names are Charles, Bernard and Arthur.

Abercrombie asks Arthur: "Are Chalres and Bernard both Knights?".
Arthur replies :"Yes"
Abercrombie asks him again: "Is Bernard a Knight?"
Surprisingly Arthur replies: "No"


Question:

Is Charles a Knight or a Liar?

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That one's easy, Artur. Hope you get to the harder ones soon.

Answer here:
It is obvious that Abercrombie is a liar, since he gave two contradicting answers. Therefore, we know that Charles and Bernard cannot be both Knights. Bernard is a Knight, because Abercrombie said he wasn't. Therefore Charles must be a liar.


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