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Y'all were dumb enough not to copyright it, so now I get to collect royalties. Hey if Krem said I had rights to it, it must be true!

My records of use go back to before I joined the BOM forums in July 2003. Gimme a break. I practically coined the term.

A person who says that 2+2 does not equal four is wrong, no matter what reality they live in (assuming we're talking about decimals and all that ;-)). The 2+2=4 thing is just a metaphor, of course, but it represents the bigger point: there is only one objective truth. It is not in the eye of th ebeholder. Sure, you may not believe in evolution, but that does not make it wrong (doesn't make it right, either). Either evolution took place, or it didn't. We can argue all day about merits of each theory, but in the end, only one of them is correct (or both of them are incorrect, who knows).

You may believe that it's true that 10 baboons hide behind the nickname Krem, but that will not make it so (it's 12, actually, we're big on base-12 numericals).

The danger of such relativism in regard to truth becomes apparent when we come up with laws to govern others. Christians believe it's true that those who do not accept Jesus into their lives will not get to heaven. Christians also want to have as many people as possible get to heaven. Therefore they might impose laws to accept Jesus on all of us. However, when probed, there is no reason for such beliefs. It's just wishful thinking.

Anyway, I'm way offtopic now, so I'll stop.

P.S. Parallel lines do not intersect in any geometry. They cannot do so, by definition (two lines that exist in the same plane and do not intersect). This is a very common mistake (even my friend who's getting a PhD in math was under that false impression!), and it stems from the fact that in non-Euclidian geometries, parallel lines are not always equidistant from each other.

Not really. Either all life is precious or none is.

That is the definition of hypocrisy.

Anyway another kickass thread and heated arguments. No name calling either. Excellent.

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How a pro-death penalty/anti-abortion person would answer: a baby is innocent; a murderer is not. Hence, the murderer deserves the punishment.

How an anti-death penalty/pro-abortion is not: while all human life is precious, a fetus is simply not a human being, and should not be granted the same rights.

Two points are not always equidistant but they gradually move closer to eachother, you're right. They don't intersect but they do merge.

12 baboon? I just thought it was one really big one thinking it had 11 friends, but those are actually just voices in the head.

That is true. Catholics take the bible for face value mostly. Women are not allowed to read the gospel in catholic mass. be priests...basically have any right whatsoever when it comes to the church/congrigation. Many catholics(not all) also belive women should be subserviant to their husbands...The husband has the final word, and that the women should care for the husban and breed children. The bible is FULL, as well as many christian religions, of ideas and principles that put down women. I am Christian myself, but I promise you I am the most open minded christian you will ever meet. It makes me sick to my stomach that people will go around pickiting about how all women who have abortions are going to hell..ect, but at the same time cheer when a man is put to death. Yes I can use this as an example Krem, because most pro-lifers arguments is "its killing a life...ect" Yet its ok to toast a LIVING BREATHING human being? Cmon Krem....for someone who wants as limited government sayso in issues, even you have to agree it is not their right to take a life WHICH CANNOT BE DISPUTED, of actually being alive.

Is it really better for a baby to be born, suffer for 6 months in extreme pain, then die? Is that "protecting" life...no, that is awful.
ALthough partial birth abortions are not what they seem, I still disagree with those to an extent bc...well, it's just disgusting.
But for some testosterone asshole up in the high courts to be able to tell a women and her wife/husband what to do is pure bullshit.

First of all, I am against the death penalty. However, as I mentioned before, the death penalty has nothing to do with abortion. They are very different issues, and both are very difficult to answer.

Can't I ask you the same question? How can you protect the right for a murderer to live, yet deny that right for an innocent child? Let's see how open-minded you really are.

How can you call yourself open-minded when you just come out and bash all Catholics as if they're all made out of the same material? Do catholics not deserve to speak their mind about issues? Do they not deserve to be individuals?


Whoa, whoa, whoa! Are you suggesting that all abortions happen because of the concern for the baby? What's with the false dilemma?

Did you know that doctors can be wrong in their diagnosis? How is it awful to give the baby a chance to live, even if such chance is small? How does that square off with your religion?


I wish such defending of personal liberty would come through to you more often. Alas, when it comes to Social Security, Welfare, minimum wage and other government boondogles, it is nowhere to be found.

lovermerox, if this was the issue, it wouldn't have been called "A woman's right to choose" now would it?

Huh?

LMR thats terrible! That's pretty much one of the worst arguements in support of abortion. Sorry but if I interpret that statement appropriately you are saying that if a baby is "defected" that it should be aborted before its born? That's a pretty slippery downhill slope there. First of all because I don't believe in a "perfect" race, and when children with disabilities are born/live it forced society to develop technologies and ideologies that assist them. If we just decided not to, than we would put all of society back. Second, hey in some countries your gender is already a "defect" and aborting doesn't necessarily deal with greater social issues then either.

Also, I'm pretty sure most Christians are like you, and are quite open minded and quite faithful as well. And then there are some that aren't, put also don't care to try to do things through legislation, etc. They move to a neighborhood of like-minded people and they all just do there thing. Then there's Karl Rove....yeah, he's scary and powerful, but that probably has little to do with any one word in the Bible, so....

If I misunderstood the above quoted statement that neo didn't understand then, *Huh?* as well.

How is that awful?

A child that will suffer due to some horrible horrible malfuciton. There are cases where children are born without brains...

How is it any different, if its a real child, than cutting off life support in the real world?

dolce...you are looking to much into my statement. Im not saying we need a prefect race, or we should abort babies that have down syndrome...or anything like that. But if the newborn is going to be in extreme pain, and then die less than 6 months after it is born....that is cruel

Im talking only about exrtreme cases

I have to go to class right now...but I will be back to discuss this
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