You have to cheek to call me "dude", insulting me like that? go fuck yourself.

From the first picture. "Homsexuality Is A Sin". My views on it is yes it is a sin. But if its a sin then we CAN control if we can be gay or straight according to the bible. I have read the Leviticus part where it states "you can not lie with another man" part at least 50 times. It does state or imply, however you take it, that homosexuality is a sin. I can clearly see how the man whos holding up the poster can back his theory up. But then we got the people saying it is not a sin because you can't control it and that you're born with it. Thats when science comes in. We have not found out that there is some sort of dna/gene in your body to know that you are born gay and you will always be gay. I've seen stories where people know their gay since they were 5,6, or 7 years old so maybe they are. Who Knows? But since the day science discovers there is a gene or not, there's where you gotta draw the line between science and religion.

On the other question. Do you like gays or not? I don't like them to a point. It all depends how you approach your homosexuality to the public. We got the guys who you could never ever tell that they're gay until you see them with another man and then the gays that are flammers. Homosexuality should not be open as some people make it out to be. I can't stand when gays are so open about it that it just pisses you off when they use every excuse as "but IM GAY!" Don't do that. I also can't stand when guys are flamming. They have a lisp, wear girl clothes, love to shop 24/7, and talk about guys all the time. To me thats just the equivelent of scratching nails against the chalkboard. It's something that I cannot stand. But I really could care less if someone is quiet about it and not flamming and you would never know. Just keep it quiet and I won't get mad.

My two cents....

EXACTLY \:D/ You're a good man coaster

Algren, with people like you around its no wonder that message boards are firepoints for arguments and ego-bashes.

Im a catholic, but not a traditonal one.
Like many catholics i can see that alot of stuff in the bible was written with different agendas behind it and even more stuff was written for the mentality of the time - so people would understand, and believe the things it had to say <<hence humanity being made in 7 days>>. That said i do believe in the fundamentals of Christianity, but not some of the values and tales.

And anyway, isn't one of Christianity's core fundamental values to love and honour each other?

I must say i don't believe homosexuality is a sin. Ive only recently made gay friends in real life [because my area seems to be quite unaccepting of homosexuality, being quite rural] and they are really nice people, although i wont sterotype all gay people as being nice - i just tend to find them more compassionate than us straight guys, which definately is not a sin imo. I'd imagine gay people have a tougher time in life than straight guys, so really they've earned my respect for being who they are - society is changing rapidly and those who are against homosexuality are tolerated far less than those who arent, which is a good thing. I treat gay people pretty much the same as i treat straight people.

I guess those camp, "gay pride guys" are really crusading as a direct polar opposite to those anti-gay people, they are trying to show being gay is nothing to be ashamed about, but unintentionally the same group are making it tougher for the normal gay guy to live life by burning an image into the media of a gay person. [See yesterdays ridiculous "gay bomb" artists rendition in The Sun]

Maybe it was written that homosexuality is a sin because its not a natural psychical process in the way that the male and female reproductive systems are made to work together, and have evolved over time to accomodate each other in the best way possible. But still, did god personally write that? No. So it remains to be questioned....

Just take a look at the tv schedule now, "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" was a massive hit, "Will and Grace" is one of tvs favourite comedys [and certainly is one of my favourites] and theres gay characters in many television shows now [that said nearly all are carboard cutout sterotypes] when ten years ago, a gay character on television was a controversial global event that would be surrounded by campaigning and general outrage. Things have come a long way in the past 20 years for gay guys, and girls, and i think thats a good message about humanity becoming more accepting of different cultures. All hail humanity!

That said, its still got a long way to go. Apparently many influential actors are homosexuals, the guy out of Sissor Sisters is supposed to have slept with one particular Hollywood star whos been around since the eighties[but he wouldnt name him]. So as long as major actors have to hide their sexuality to protect their career? Then i guess that speaks volumes about soceties attitude - accepting, but only when its funny.

You say it like its a bad thing? surely diversity on a message board (of all things) is a good thing... :wink:

Algren, you're a fucking moron.

I can tolerate a lot. I can tolerate bible thumpers who are blinded by their faith. I can tolerate people who've been sheltered and secluded their entire life and don't know any better. What I can't tolerate are people that hate for no fucking reason. You've given no legitimate reasons for your bigotry other than "it bothers me when gay people act gay". Well holy shit! What the fuck do you want them to do? Do you want them to oppress and hide themselves for their entire life just so you can feel comfortable with your sexuality? Does being gay not give you the entitlement to live a good life? If I had any sort of administrative power here at KJ you would never be seen from again. In my opinion, being a hateful cretin for no reason and starting flamebait topics about controversial issues should get you banned. Hopefully they will.

BTW - This unprovoked homphobia you've displayed can sometimes be a way of hiding your own, repressed homosexual feelings. You might want to look into that.

You fucking scum.

Well...i didnt want to say, but

Less profanely, I sort of agree with your point.

Dang, makeshift, he said I looked like a transvestite, and I didn't go off like that. :laugh:

Algren, a little advice here. The masses are starting to turn on you. Either tone it down, or be prepared to deal with the consequences. Wouldn't toning it down be a better option that having people not like you or getting banned?

This topic usually always goes to the extreme...

Calm it down, guys. :-$

Sigh ...

Its fun isn't it .. this topic ...

other than 1 or 2 things i agree with (what algren says), yea .. pretty much his arguments are either left unexplained which makes him sound like a complete idiot. Sorry Algren .... either defend your arguments properly or be okay with comments being directed towards you ....

Very well said. Algren just seems like a hateful individual, and he always pokes fun at my homosexuality in various threads, calling me names such as "faggot", and "queer", and I don't find it funny one bit.

Algren is more than allowed to have his opinions on any subject he wishes, whether you find them ridiculus or smart. As such, in this thread, he has not personally attacked anyone (more than anything, hes received it for having an "Opinion").

Just wanted to say that out in the open ...

Anybody who disagrees with me is a bigot.

Anybody who disagrees with me is a bleeding-heart fag.

Jon .. please refrain from the use of words such as fag ... part of the guidelines ...

Thanks in advance.

I was shooting down the arguments from both sides with psuedo-blanket statements and using the implications of most of the people here.

Though if I sided with anyone in this stupid thread, it would be makeshift, without the namecalling.

: )

I do not like the sin but i dont hate the sinner.And we are all sinners anyway,and remember,To god every sin is the same.

Well you know posting a thread like this is bound to ruffle a few feathers around here for folks I won't name, BUT YES, Homosexuality is an Abomination and YES, it is a Sin and furthermore, God didn't put Man in this world to fuck Man in the Ass.. He put Man and Woman in this World to Pro-create, to bare children and populate the World and the process is ever continuing.. Now I know 100% what I just said is definitely bound to piss some posters off around here and quite frankly, I don't give a flying fuck.. If these folks can't handle it, then this topic shouldn't of been posted.. The End.. Now I'm going to move on to another thread and leave this hypersensitive subject alone..

Wow, its quite clear from this thread that the education system across the globe seems to vary in quality quite dramatically.

Theres a small social skill most people pick up in their early teens [or in my case, mid-teens] and its called "learning when to shut the hell up", i think that it should be a mandatory lesson in schools across the world now.

Most cathliocs can never follow the love your neighbor rule ...

God wants you to be loving, and open minded, not closeminded and foolish. God got crucified and forgave those who crucified him, I think all of you can get over such petty squables.

Everyone is not going to agree with the way you live your life be it profession, hair color, sexual orientation, religion or whatver. Algren is sinning just as much in the words of the bible acting how he is, as pink is in the words of the bible for his sexual orientation. Everyone can seek forgiveness from the one person that matters, and thats god. To hell with what everyone else thinks, live your life for yourself, and don't get so caught up in what others say.

I seem to notice those that take offence to comments like these generally seem insecure about themselves, just live your life, its really all you can do.

Well spoken Eagle.

=D>

Well said, Eagle.

It was Jesus, Not God, who was crucified....

No matter how rose colored the glasses your wearing are, People like Algren's comments are bound to hurt gay people. Its not like everyone can switch off and ignore the rest of the worlds comments. Sure i dont care if someones saying this and that about me, but to some gay people their sexuality may be a delicate subject, just as with some overweight people their weight is a delicate issue, and with race etc. Certain people have certain buttons to be pressed, and biggotry is just a way for idiotic people to take a shortcut to pushing many peoples buttons.



I took offense to them, and im not insecure. Its the concept of biggotry in a person that i dislike.