Hahah. Wait till the rest of the world smells the coffee! Then you'll be buggered!
People are still pretty adamant that advertisements dont work.

Like fuck they dont.

Yeah, I like some rap. Kanye West is good. I like The Streets a ton.

Oh, and Ross - I'm still waiting for those hawt pix of your sister. Thanks.

I don't like rap that much. Tupac, sure, he's by far the best and I can appreciate that. Mostly everything else though ranges from meh(Snoop Dogg) to crap(the 909328903 rappers dominating music today).

Wow, that quiz was incredibly offensive.

As if we aren't automatically categorised enough, lets all answer 10 basic questions and let a computer tell us what else we are!

Yay!

I like rap, but by far not all of it. Maybe about 20% of rap that comes out nowadays. There is no rap artist that I like all rap songs of, I just like some specific songs. I like some Kanye West stuff, I like a song or two by 50 Cent, I like a lot of Eminem's music (sue me), some older Tupac stuff, some Dr. Dre.

da torri's thread - Topic #4: A Response to the Racist KJers

Many of you, over the past couple of days, have peeked into the Do Not Eat At Dennys thread. For those of you who haven't, inside you'll see a mix of racism and ignorance. Yoshue's thread was hijacked, so I'm going to use my own thread to make this statement and continue this debate. Specifically, this is directed to Scott V., ChipMunky, and Joe.

What if you were black? And you went into this Dennys thread, reading bullshit that your people are more dangerous and threatening? Would you find comfort in this, or would you impassively move on? Neither. A black person is a white person with black skin. There is no other mental difference at birth. There are things that may hold a black down, such as poverty. Poverty causes desperation, desperation sometimes causes people to do things they otherwise wouldn't do. But, I don't want to go on about poverty, because this isn't about poverty. This is about knocking some sense in people who've probably never made an effort to help and understand those who do live in poverty.

In short, the color of someone's skin does not make that being anymore dangerous. Other factors - surroundings, mental status, financial status - might. I say might because there are plenty of depressed, heart-broken, poor people in harsh neighborhoods who abide by the law. Are we on the same page?

Most of you were, frankly, lucky to be born into affluent, well-off families. You had, like, a 2% chance. If you were born black, you'd have to deal with it and make the best of it, and, if you read such crap, you'd probably be posting this exact message, too, screaming "black skin don't make me more violent." You wouldn't want to walk upscale streets, with people sneering at you because they have this notion that you might pop a gun on them at a Starbucks, would you?

Again, are we on the same page?

All I ask is that you not go about life, thinking that you can't hang out with someone from a different walk of life because some old fart compiled data that "proves" people with a different color skin are "more violent." You could easily have been one! Statistically, maybe they are, but there's all sorts of outliers - poverty levels, the fucking Judicial system?! Do you consider racism on a cop's part? What if cops just tend to be more leniant towards caucasians? What if the blacks and hispanics aren't really guilty, and were penalized because the government couldn't provide them with effective defense, as the public defender could only meet with them for an hour? There's all sorts of issues. You can't just look at an issue and make a claim like that. If you do, you're plain and simply racist, and looking for "factoids" to back up your nasty beliefs. If you ever wonder why the British hate us, it's this kind of thing. Indifference, Ignorance, Closed-Mindedness. It's not just the man in the White House, the war in Iraq, and the size of our bellies.

lol

Ross, did you not read my post in that very thread or was something about it not understandable?

I think it is really a confusion of two different things here.

Example of racism: "All blacks commit crimes. That is just their nature"

Example of FACTS: "Percentage-wise, more blacks commit crimes than caucasians."

It comes down to the question of WHY?

If you say that they commit crimes because that is inherent to their nature, that is racist.

But to state the facts, to state that there are generally more crimes in urban-populated neighborhoods and cities with a predominant population of minorites...that is a fact. "Why" it is so, is an other question. Fact is that this exists, whether you like it or not. And all of you know exactly that there are certain urban-populated neighborhoopds you would not want to walk through alone at night, whereas I doubt many of you will have a problem walking through a normal suburban neighborhood.

It is similar here, only not with blacks and Hispanics, but rather Turks and Russian (if you allow me to generalize this much). There are certain neighborhoods in Cologne I would not want to walk alone through at night. And neither would you, I promise you that.

To say that their race alone is responsible for the crimes is blatant racism and you will have hard time finding anyone here who is more against racism than I am. But to state that representatives of their race commit generally more crime...that is a fact. It comes down to the question "what brings them to do that". The answer to this is very complicated, but it is certainly not their skin color.

Yes, but saying "There was a shooting there, because that's where all the blacks and hispanics hang out" is still not legit terminology. That's implying that the crimes and shootings are higher in that area because of the race that lives there, when in reality it has nothing to do with that. The reason why there is more crime committed from that group of people, is because they're poor. It has NOTHING to do with what color of skin they're born to, they're just...poor. Where there's poverty and struggle, there's crime. The fact that currently more black and hispanics living in those conditions lead them to the crime statistics pointing more in their direction, but does that mean if a shooting occurs in a poor neighbourhood, we should automatically say that it was a black or hispanic just because of their past? "Hey, a shooting went down! Well, a black man must've done it! Hardy har har!" Immediately responding to a shooting news by saying that blacks or hispanics were behind the crime, is blatent stereotyping and racism towards that culture.

Ooh boy, Lecter, we're gonna have a fun time arguing here!


No, I didn't read it. But I don't think you read (or understood) mine, either.

As I wrote in my post...


Yes, I'm aware of the stats. I don't think they give the true picture, but, I know what they say. There are a number of factors that contribute to the statistic. That's not my point - ChipMunky, Scott V, and Joe said things in the other thread that implied "blacks are dangerous. i've got the facts to prove it." That kind of statement bugs me, because, one, it isn't true, and two, it doesn't consider anything other than the numbers alone...


So, we agree. Haha.

In general, I posted this because of the nature of the responses. You could see Ripper, Michael(angelo), and others being bugged by these responses in the thread. I don't want people thinking that blacks, as an entire race, are dangerous. Those three posters seemed to have that attitude. It's horrible. If they were in, say, Ripper's position, it'd be a whole different story.

Shack, I think you're simplifying it a bit. I don't think we should explore it, though. There's so much that contributes to it, if we even try to tackle it, we'll look like fools.

thanks for stealing my argument ross you little whore!

Seriously you basically compressed my two pages into two harshly edited paragraphs! WHORE i tell you.

I think we just don't listen to each other.

I have not seen a single instance of ChipMunky, Scott V, and Joe implying what you say.

And, heh, the only thing I can just repeat is...walk alone through a notorious urban-populated neighborhood (or as in the case of Bonn, a foreigners-populated neighborhood) at night...and you'll see how fast the prejudices will catch up with you, whether you like it or not.

We can never state it like that as a fact. However, to say "probably" is legit. If someone blows up a building in the Middle East, you won't be deliberating whether it was not a Muslim fundamentalist who did this. An extreme example, I know, but I think it showcases what I mean.

Now if I just put one single person in front of you who is black and say that this person is more likely to kill you than if it was a white person...I think that would be wrong. I know it sounds a bit contradictory, but I never said it was not complicated.

Racism is a complicated issue. So is capitalism and the nature of success. So is violence. So is poverty. All are potentially disconnected but feed into the same problem.

It's a complicated issue, and has no answer and deserves to be handled as such.

Racism is a touchy subject. Maybe you should all see a little movie called "Crash".

*runs far away*

Poor people suck! Majority of them commit crime! I think I should lump in all poor people as hooligans. Anyone making below 70k fits in that category

Agreed wole-heartedly. Too bad all of the bad stuff is what gets popular. I have no objections to listeneing to rap, a long asit's good. The only problem is that good rap is a bit hy and doesn't like to show itself often.

Capitalism rules!

Funny story about racism and discrimination at restaurants. You know who discrimiante the most? The waiters. I've been hanging out with a lot of them lately, and the a lot of them do not like serving black people, because they tip very poorly.

That's also true for foreigners.

Can you blame them? Most waiters depend almost exclusively on their tips to get by because their actual per-hour wage is crap. I'd be a little bitter if people consistently didn't tip me. They probably champion the film Waiting.

Hehe, that reminds me of a certain scene in Crash.

Let me hijack this thread and turn it into a Who invented this procedure called tipping? Other countries they dont have to tip their waiters or waitresses. Its not our fault the employers pay the waiters/waitresses below min wage and should be against the law about paying below min wage.
Employers should be required to pay them a decent wage

The tipping procedure has got out of hand that I have seen clerks put in a cup for customers to tip them. Whats next?Plumbers asking for tips, lawyers asking for tips?

Roid, so you'd rather have meals at a restaurant costing 20% more and waiters having no real incentive to serve you well?

Thats why you order "to go" unless you have company and yes "I would rather have food cost 20% more". Besides when does he customary tipping stop. People are asking tips for everything now including the guy who kocked on my door to ask if he could fix the dent on my truck and once he fixed it, he also asked for a customary tip too. Besides other countries dont ask for tips for waitering, why not I just tip the cook instead?
All the waiter does is hand you your food, is that really worth the 20% extra for the service?