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 dolcevita wrote: Krem wrote: dolcevita wrote:
Well you know Krem, there are anti-sodomy laws in some states too, and it says alot to me about the people who actually choose to reinforce those. This law existing doesn't mean it is right and can't be changed (hence the court ruling yesterday), nor does it mean that if it isn't changed that I have all that much respect for people that capitalize on it. That is a personal opinion, and as I stated above, either party that actually deters voters from the stations is going to be undermining the legitimacy not only of the candidate's prospective victory, but of voting and the Democratic process in general.
-Dolce
Anti-sodomy laws are not constitutional. There's nothing unconstitutional about this one. Say, if I came in with someone else's voting registration card and went on to get the ballot, and someone saw me and remembered that I am not a citizen, why shouldn't they be allowed to challenge my vote? Those challengers still have to show a just cause to challenge the vote, you know. That's what voting officials are for, and there are plenty designated ones already at each site. You know that this is something else. These are not the officials and they have neither the training nor a nuetral investigation in mind and you know it. The voting officials don't know that I am not a citizen; my neighbor does, though.
And yes, the voting challengers are NOT neutral (they do get training by their parties, though), but it does not follow that the challenges will be unjust.
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bABA
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so umm .. voting today?
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Caius
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Quote: Before voting even began in Philadelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout the city... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... http://drudgereport.com/This was discovered by Republicans. Don't know yet who they were cast towards, but I will assume Democrats.
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KidRock69x wrote: Quote: Before voting even began in Philadelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout the city... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... http://drudgereport.com/Hehe. Vote early. Vote often. :-)
John Street is DA BESTEST!
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dolcevita
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Krem wrote: KidRock69x wrote: Quote: Before voting even began in Philadelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout the city... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... http://drudgereport.com/Hehe. Vote early. Vote often. :-) John Street is DA BESTEST!  You guys remember the election in Gangs of New York? "You've only voted 11 times? And you call that doing your civic duty?"
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"Who cares if we're already out of ballots, don't you know its the counters that make an election, count them again!"
I'm paraphrasing a teeny bit
And for the record, if the Dems planted those votes I'd be equally as pissed with them. I'm not particularly thrilled at anyone who undermines the process and then turns around and demands we enforce clean democracy in other countries. :?
-Dolce
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dolcevita wrote: Krem wrote: KidRock69x wrote: Quote: Before voting even began in Philadelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout the city... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... http://drudgereport.com/Hehe. Vote early. Vote often. :-) John Street is DA BESTEST! You guys remember the election in Gangs of New York? "You've only voted 11 times? And you call that doing your civic duty?" and, "Who cares if we're already out of ballots, don't you know its the counters that make an election, count them again!" I'm paraphrasing a teeny bitAnd for the record, if the Dems planted those votes I'd be equally as pissed with them. I'm not particularly thrilled at anyone who undermines the process and then turns around and demands we enforce clean democracy in other countries. :? -Dolce It's Philadelphia. You know, the town that votes 90+% Democrat. Nobody other than the Dems could put those in ;-)
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dolcevita
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Krem wrote: dolcevita wrote: You guys remember the election in Gangs of New York? "You've only voted 11 times? And you call that doing your civic duty?" and, "Who cares if we're already out of ballots, don't you know its the counters that make an election, count them again!" I'm paraphrasing a teeny bitAnd for the record, if the Dems planted those votes I'd be equally as pissed with them. I'm not particularly thrilled at anyone who undermines the process and then turns around and demands we enforce clean democracy in other countries. :? -Dolce It's Philadelphia. You know, the town that votes 90+% Democrat. Nobody other than the Dems could put those in ;-) Well that's just it, they already have a landslide so why bother putting it into doubt. If it was in Harrisburg or even Pittsburg it would make more sense. You taking notes Zingy? If you ever want to do a little undercover vote stacking, don't bother with Philly, everyone there already shares you sentiments. :wink:
I mean....except Krem. 
-Dolce
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dolcevita wrote: Krem wrote: dolcevita wrote: You guys remember the election in Gangs of New York? "You've only voted 11 times? And you call that doing your civic duty?" and, "Who cares if we're already out of ballots, don't you know its the counters that make an election, count them again!" I'm paraphrasing a teeny bitAnd for the record, if the Dems planted those votes I'd be equally as pissed with them. I'm not particularly thrilled at anyone who undermines the process and then turns around and demands we enforce clean democracy in other countries. :? -Dolce It's Philadelphia. You know, the town that votes 90+% Democrat. Nobody other than the Dems could put those in ;-) Well that's just it, they already have a landslide so why bother putting it into doubt. If it was in Harrisburg or even Pittsburg it would make more sense. You taking notes Zingy? If you ever want to do a little undercover vote stacking, don't bother with Philly, everyone there already shares you sentiments. :wink: I mean....except Krem. -Dolce Pennsylvania is a swing state. So it makes sense to have stuff the ballots, even in Philadelphia.
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Well, I voted at about 9:45 AM EST (the polls had been open since 7 AM), and 705 people had already voted, so I heard. It's looking like a big voter turnout, thankfully. Now, I live in suburban VA (which tends to skew Republican), but the voters seemed to be a mix of both parties. Neither side was dominating, at least at this district.
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bABA
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I voted. And it felt really good. That's all I had to say.
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| Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:54 pm |
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Fett up to his old tricks 
He links the DailyKos, mwahaha.
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Eagle
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I voted Bush, and I get to vote in a swing state (PA).
Good luck bush, I think he is gonna need it.
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bABA
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Krem wrote: Fett up to his old tricks He links the DailyKos, mwahaha. I'm sure both sides are doing it but its still sad .... so much for democracy
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bABA wrote: Krem wrote: Fett up to his old tricks He links the DailyKos, mwahaha. I'm sure both sides are doing it but its still sad .... so much for democracy You're just biased against democracy, so you're gonna pick at everything you can find. On the whole, though, the system works.
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bABA
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yes it does ... it works inefficiently : )
no that last comment was just there to spite you ... hehehehe ... its just .. man .. such underhanded tactics from people you would think would be more mature ...... and i mean that from both sides really ..
It reminds me after the first debate .. i kept watching the news and they had a democrat and a republican speaker and both just said how bad the other one sucked and how good their own guy is .. I mean come on!! Be a bit more mature about it ... whats with all this one sidedness .... I mean both answered some questions really well yet these idiots (who are helping us make decisions on the country if elected) are showing such immaturity by stating one point and not defending it ... just saying it again and again so the uncertain viewers would just listen to them ...
anyway, whatever ...
democracy rocks !! <- happy?
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bABA wrote: yes it does ... it works inefficiently : ) no that last comment was just there to spite you ... hehehehe ... its just .. man .. such underhanded tactics from people you would think would be more mature ...... and i mean that from both sides really .. It reminds me after the first debate .. i kept watching the news and they had a democrat and a republican speaker and both just said how bad the other one sucked and how good their own guy is .. I mean come on!! Be a bit more mature about it ... whats with all this one sidedness .... I mean both answered some questions really well yet these idiots (who are helping us make decisions on the country if elected) are showing such immaturity by stating one point and not defending it ... just saying it again and again so the uncertain viewers would just listen to them ... anyway, whatever ... democracy rocks !! <- happy? I love spin from both sides! Makes me feel that much smarter
And when in doubt, I always refer to the quote in my signature ;-)
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bABA
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Krem wrote: bABA wrote: yes it does ... it works inefficiently : ) no that last comment was just there to spite you ... hehehehe ... its just .. man .. such underhanded tactics from people you would think would be more mature ...... and i mean that from both sides really .. It reminds me after the first debate .. i kept watching the news and they had a democrat and a republican speaker and both just said how bad the other one sucked and how good their own guy is .. I mean come on!! Be a bit more mature about it ... whats with all this one sidedness .... I mean both answered some questions really well yet these idiots (who are helping us make decisions on the country if elected) are showing such immaturity by stating one point and not defending it ... just saying it again and again so the uncertain viewers would just listen to them ... anyway, whatever ... democracy rocks !! <- happy? I love spin from both sides! Makes me feel that much smarter And when in doubt, I always refer to the quote in my signature ;-) I try not to look at it : )
Whats GOP?
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bABA wrote: Krem wrote: bABA wrote: yes it does ... it works inefficiently : ) no that last comment was just there to spite you ... hehehehe ... its just .. man .. such underhanded tactics from people you would think would be more mature ...... and i mean that from both sides really .. It reminds me after the first debate .. i kept watching the news and they had a democrat and a republican speaker and both just said how bad the other one sucked and how good their own guy is .. I mean come on!! Be a bit more mature about it ... whats with all this one sidedness .... I mean both answered some questions really well yet these idiots (who are helping us make decisions on the country if elected) are showing such immaturity by stating one point and not defending it ... just saying it again and again so the uncertain viewers would just listen to them ... anyway, whatever ... democracy rocks !! <- happy? I love spin from both sides! Makes me feel that much smarter And when in doubt, I always refer to the quote in my signature ;-) I try not to look at it : ) Whats GOP? GOP=Grand Old Party - the Republicans.
The funniest thing is that the Democratic Party is older than the Republican Party.
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bABA
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Found this funny on cnn.com with the following caption:
An Amish buggy sits at a polling place in Paradise, Pennsylvania.
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Bodrul
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I watched the news and there was a short interview with Michael Moore, apparently his film crew are gonna film the voting/counting in Ohio and Florida so if theres any hanky panky, if it goes to court theres evidence and the guilty are screwed.
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| Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:45 pm |
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hans wrote: I watched the news and there was a short interview with Michael Moore, apparently his film crew are gonna film the voting/counting in Ohio and Florida so if theres any hanky panky, if it goes to court theres evidence and the guilty are screwed. No court in the world (except for the Cannes municipal court) is going to believe Michael Moore.
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Bodrul
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Krem wrote: hans wrote: I watched the news and there was a short interview with Michael Moore, apparently his film crew are gonna film the voting/counting in Ohio and Florida so if theres any hanky panky, if it goes to court theres evidence and the guilty are screwed. No court in the world (except for the Cannes municipal court) is going to believe Michael Moore. just filming of the event, I dont think its going to be a movie, but he might just make it if there is a bit of messing around
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Remember guys, today is a "Celibacy Day":
NO Bush, NO Dick... :wink:
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