I didn't either actually. And I really wanted to. Xtian had me so pumped but I was like...eh?

And then I rewatched it and fell in love.

So yoshue...

I was the first person in the world to have a wallet made out of newspaper btw.

You're the guiltiest of all here who call me a hipster, you hipster.

I have a Brooks Brothers wallet. I could use a new one.

umm I had it in 8th-9th grade, which was before the hipsters caught on.

Of course, there's no real reason to apologize - - you didn't like the movie the first time you saw it, but Libs did - - those are both honest reactions.

You can't argue taste, even with your earlier self. If a younger version of Yoshue didn't enjoy Mean Girls, he didn't enjoy it. If he saw it again and enjoyed it this time, he enjoyed it.

I got this Fossil wallet as a Bar Mitzvah gift, and it lasted me 4-5 years. It was probably the most useful object I got (which is surprising, cuz my initial thought after opening the gift was "Why couldn't ___ be normal and get me a frickin' gift card?" Every wallet since then I've destroyed somehow in a year (or gotten sick of for being bulky or something).

I don't own anything that looks remotely hipster. The only graphic T's I have are from J. Crew, and I only wear one item from American Apparel (the thermals -- they're perfect layers for gross Ithaca winters)

I always thought Mean Girls was one of the better teen films of the last decade.

roo, can you think of another good teen film of the last decade, besides possibly, idk, American Pie and Superbad?

I didn't like American Pie (thought it was a gimmick with no substance) and Superbad I can't ever sit again through Superbad. The ability to say "fuck" and "pussy", etc. on camera does not make your film funny. The only great thing about that film in my opinion is the cops, which are a tiny part of the overall.

I'm not arguing that these films are masterworks, but you did imply that there were other teen films in the last decade that were decent. I'm not sure about that. The teen genre sucks. What other "teen films" could possibly be considered as good as Mean Girls in the last decade?

I'm with you.

I finally saw Superbad about a month ago and I could barely sit through it. There is a difference between funny and vulgar for no reason. To me, Superbad was no better than say Scary Movie in that it just tried to push the limits with no reason behind it.

And I don't mind if a film pushes the limits in vulgarity, such as say, Closer (first one that comes to mind, I was just listening to the soundtrack so shoot me) which had some of the most frank dialogue I've seen in a long time...but yet it was actually good.

"Wanna do something fun? Wanna go to Taco Bell?"

Superbad had the most authentic teen dialogue ever, period.

why is everyone trying to force a comparison between superbad and mean girls?
superbad has nothing on mean girls in influence or quality, and might as well have been written by a bunch of bored high school nerds between jerk off breaks (I don't mean that to compliment it's "authenticity").
mean girls is a master class of pop culture, and, no offense to al gore, basically invented the internet.

What Superbad has in authenticity (lots of it), it completely lacks in the funny (as it has none)

Now you've given me two things to address.
First, like tyler pointed out already, superbad is funny simply because of how true it is. For those who are 25+ you may forget it, or things may have been different for you, but for an 18 year old superbad is funny because it accurately depicts the stupidity and immaturity that is very realistically prevelant of our generation. Seniors in high school really do talk and act like that, at least the dumber ones, and sex and alcohol are referred to as divine methods of living. It's horrible but very true, and watching all unfold in a giant satire on screen may seem idiotic or pointless to an "adult" but to someone who is currently walking through all of that, it is nothing short of brilliant.

Secondly, mean girls.
Mean girls reminds me very much of NATM2. (bare with me) both films have 2 radicilly different ways that I could look at them: on the one hand they are truly a major contribution to the downfall of humanity. They are so idiotic, simplistic, and misguiding in their depiction of the subject matter (history vs. teenagers/high school) and they both do such a fabulous job of botching their portrayal of this subject. Both films make me wanna scream "look at 1 tiny scrap of relevant evidence before you write this fucking script" because they seem to take a couple of really obvious and generally acknowledged pieces of evidence i.e. "girls don't want to be fat" or "amelia earhart flew a plane" and they think that's all they need to know about it to make joke after joke about it, when in reality all of their jokes are incredibly inaccurate and so is the whole movie.
The other way to look at it is: this is just meant to be funny and enjoyable, and in that retrospect they both succeed, albeit Mean Girls is far funnier and more entertaining than NATM2.

So in short, I do like mean girls for its comedy but hate it because of its inaccuracy and the fact that the people they are basing this incredibly botched analysis on are my friends. I'd rather just watch superbad because it is both incredibly accurate and thereby incredibly funny.

John Savage, I don't think you understood Mean Girls if you saw it as a simplistic, teenagers v. high school tale. For one, the tone was satirical until maybe the last twenty minutes.

Secondly, I don't know if you'd understand how high schoolers act in Chicago suburbs (where Mean Girls takes place).

Yeah, I don't know what John is talking about. Mean Girls is straight-up irony and satire. Superbad is horny rite of passage nostalgia.

I adore Superbad.

But Mean Girls has always held a special place in my heart...Clueless is one of my five favorite movies, probably because I was the target audience when it was released in 1995 (i.e. a 15 year old girl) and I think Mean Girls had the same kind of impact on that age group when it was released.

I live in suburban des moines, I'm sure there are differences but I highly doubt they are too grand.
I'm sure it was satire and irony, what I didn't appreciate was the simplicity of the satire. I feel like simplifying the subject entirely to a few plastic details in order to mock it was a lazy way to set up humor. Perhaps that is how satire is most commonly conducted, but it wasn't over the top enough to feel completely satirical (ala scary movie) and it wasn't clever enough to be funny just on its satire (ala can't think of a good example right now, will get back to you.) so again, I found it funny, but painful at the same time.

can you write like a normal fucking person already. it's really fucking pissing me off.

See I disagree. First off, I'm not THAT old (24), and it has only been 6 years since I graduated high school so I don't think THAT much has changed since I was there. I get it that young people idolize sex and alcohol, that's common and that wasn't what I was getting at. I could handle the graphic dialogue (I already said I love Closer and I'd say that was as graphic if not more so).

I just felt Superbad was pretty ... dull. It was sort of this odd mix between "realistic" character study (I guess?) of some high schoolers and some over-the-top silly comedy (ala say Pineapple Express) but it didn't to me find a good balance. I didn't laugh, I wasn't shocked I just was like ... "what's the point" -- obviously others felt different.

As far as Mean Girls. You are right it was over the top and silly and wasn't "accurate" (same as Superbad) but it was FUNNY and it was a brilliant pop-culture piece and effectively captured enough of what it was trying to while twisting it in to something funny.

Don't I piss you off when I talk like I normally do? This sounds like a lose/lose to me.