Not quite saying I support the organization, but...I don't know. I don't think sex between a minor and someone who is older is is something that should be punished many times. While I don't find sex between a 50 year old and a 15 year old the nicest thing in the world,I don't know...I honestly think many times these "minors" know what they're doing. If later they regret it, well it was your choice. Learn from it. Others might not (regret it).

I DONT KNOW

I hate thinking.

Krem, use that as your avatar:

Ahhh....and now I see how the thread went from Christmas Carols to NAMBLA.

Thank you Artur :wink:

You're always welcome, Woody Rodriguez.

if you read the rest of the thing i typed they read a pamphlet of how to rape and escape with boys

I'm not sure about a pamphlet that's a guide to rape boys. I mean it oduns, out there...and I don't know if it really represents the organization. Hey, I happen to not be part of it :wink:

If anyone hands out pamphlets on how to rape someone, a boy, a grown-up woman, then yes something should be done about THAT. However I can't say hat really represents the organization in general. Like Krem said (ahhh...*shakes head*) just because some men who happen to be part of an organization do something, you can't hold everyone accountable for it. I mean...let's ban Catholicism.


I don't necessarily even agree with NAMBLA's agenda. But I do think their members have at least the right to fight for legal changes if they believe in it.

And with my discussion on NAMBLA....I've officially hit an all-time low.

Blame Artur

ROD- unless the Catholic Church promotes something thatas agaisnt the law why should it be banned....rape is agaisnt the law and their promoting in a pamphelt.....it really astounds me how so many peopel are for NAMBLA when even in their name it has MAN BOY LOVE in it

I don't know much about NAMBLA, sorry, so maybe in arguing about something I'm not quite educated about I'm making the some judgements that are wrong, so many people seem to debate something when they're completely ignorant about the topic around here that it must be rubbing off on me now :wink:


But since YOU seem to be so aqquainted with the organization, let me ask a few questions to help me make up my mind ....


Show me evidence that the pamphlet is something that NAMBLA does in general. Not a few members distributing, but part of what the organization does in general.

Man Boy Love...so what, again I dont know much, and obviously is you can prove the above I'd be wrong, but they want to make this LEGAL. If it were legalized (and I think that's unlikely in the first place) then in the eyes of the law, there'd be nothing wrong with it. Period.

And last of all. They promote sex with boys...how old? Sex with, say, a 10 year old....sick. But again, as long as its not something they're actually practicing (and I'm sure some are, so what, its not necessarily reflective of the organization, and those people would be doing that regardless of wether the organization existed or not. But even then, pushing for laws that would make it legal is not wrong. sorry. It's NOT. I don't believe in something like that, and I can fight against it and make sure they don't get away with it.

alright lets turn this into Law & Order because i have all the evidence right here with me but it just bothers me that people are trying to make up excuses or at least attempt to back them up....that suprises me the most

well, um...WHERE?

well MR SARCASM just came into the room.....you really think i have the evidence wow...sarcasm. Even if it is computer talk you can still sense that was sarcasm.

To quote Stan from South Park ...

Dude, you have sex with boys!

Does anything else really need to be said?

Speak for your self. It is only in Germany where nazi parties are forbidden, not in the whole of Europe. They most certainly aren't forbidden here, and just like in America, they don't have any following. Freedom of speech is something I value greatly and I would never want to disallow people to express their opinions, no matter how ignorant they are.

So we're supposed to ban freedom of speech just so the Europeans like us?

And, like Shad pointed out, Nazi parties are not banned through \out all of Europe. Do the Germans hate Iceland?

It's not perfectly fine to you. However, it is not illegal to say these things.

so i can go out to little girls in the mall saying that 'im gonna rape you right in front of their mothers and thats not illegal....i think i should do that righ tnow

Go ahead. See how long it takes before the mother calls up the mall security to kick you out of the mall.

why woudl i get kicked out i can just say that i'm using my freedom of speech cuz its not against the law to say that

It's not against the law, but the mall doesn't want your types inside.

you notice that i can sue for pretty much anythign cuz i can just sue for that and accuse them of being racist when they say my kind...this is useless even tho it was fun talking

No, we just want to annex it.

Freedom of speech can be exaggerated at times.

You will not have a case. The mall can refuse entry to whomever it wants to (unless, of course, it's not based on race, gender or age - big "thanks" to the Civil Rights Act of '64). In this case, not only do they have that defense, you also threatened a customer, which could land you in jail as well.

How can it be? You either have it or you don't.

Actually sexual harrasment IS a crime. You can challenge that if you want to. Make an organization that argues sexual harrassment should be legal. You have the right to do that.


I have the right to not support your cause, and fight against it.

Anyway, so many points and questions are completely being ignored and this is complete...I have no idea what I was thinking when I got into this, and I'm done