Exactly. You take the words out of my mouth.

Why should I be grateful for a war that was based upon lies, with innocent people dying, Americas people dying? Because of the above statement? C'mon...

DO you not see the difference between thousands and millions?

Even if you are of the position that war is NEVER justified, you have to accept the unfortunate fact that sometimes wars happen. Do you not care how many people die as a result?

Okay, I can understand if you are upset about innocent civilians in Iraq dying.

However, as for the Americans, as I have always said and will always say, the military service in the USA IS voluntary. No one is forced to go to the army. And, seriously, anyone who goes to the army MUST consider the consequences. It's the army, armies go to wars, they get in danger. This is what happens to soldiers. If they decide to become a soldier out of their free will, then it is, indeed, their fault.

yes I know war happens. I am not against all war, however it dosen't seem FAIR to me that all these people are dying for....for what?

Yes I see the difference between millions and thousands but try telling family or a mother whos child was shot or run over by a tank that.

Everyone thinks its all peachy fuckin keen when war isnt fought on OUR soil(im referring to Americans) however if this war were over here, and random cities were getting bombed, random houses getting bombed people would feel alot different. Just put yourself in their position.

Yes I agree, and we do need a military, but I don't think its fair that these brave men and women, who normally get treated like shit by society in the first place, are lied to and sent over on the front line in a war that is not necessary, or sent based out on a lie. Everyone wants to make jokes and T-shirts saying "Got WMD's?" ect, when hundreds of people were killed looking for these SUPPOSED WMD's.

Interesting that someone with the following signature "The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!" expresses so much crap.

Interesting that someone with the following signature "The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!" expresses so much crap.

But the fact IS that these people must have known what they were getting into when they went to the military. Wars are possible all the time, anywhere and anytime. When they join the army, they know exactly that they have to obey commands and if someone decides to send them somewhere, they have to go. Military has never been a fun park and the future has never been predictable. These people knew what they were getting into.

And it's not like the Iraq war is the only war in history that is based on lies, hehe.

Interesting how you imply that love is unknown to those who support a war. Seems like crappy thinking to me.

Once again, you bring in the emotional angle when none is warranted. Bad stuff happens all the time, not just at war, but here at home as well. More people die of traffic accidents every day than at war. Should we outlaw cars now?

You think the war in Iraq was not justified? That's your prerogative. But the amount of casualties in Iraq is relatively low, and you have to recognize that fact.

Trying to equate the deaths caused my traffic accidents and getting your head blown off by a gun is a bit...ridiculous.
I recognize the casualities are low, however that dosent change my opinion that its horrible and not warranted. Just because its "lower" than other wars, dosen't make the fact that the deaths are horrible.

A death is a death is a death. It don't matter to the dead person how they died.

And you missed my point about appeal to emotion.

You feel bad for the people who die horribly? How about half a million Iraqi children who died because of Saddam's abuse of Oil for Food program? How do you feel about them?

Saddam being out-Yes, still fighting and killing looking for "terrorists" and "wdm's"-no

I feel horrible that ANY child died. It's a travesty and I mourn for all those chidlren and their families. But it never stops and its depressing as hell. We will always be fighting and always killing eachother.


Explain what I missed about appeal to emotion?

Do you realize that there are terrorists in Iraq who are targetting innocent Iraqis every day? Iraq does not have its own force to fight them yet, so are we supposed to look the other way?

You say you support the ousting of Saddam. Well how would you go about accomplishing it if not by toppling his regime?

There are circumstances when one HAS to fight.



Everytime there is a sensitive topic, you bring up the "will somebody think of the mothers and children" line, as if you're the only one who understands what death is like.

The Bush League doesn't care about people. For them, it's all about the oil.

The Yanks are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents. They have plenty of blood on their hands.

But that's OK... because what goes around comes around.

If they really cared about people, they'd be doing the same damn "police action" in Sudan. But what doth it profiteth the Man?

Oh yes, it's all about the oil. Of course we had to start a war for it, nevermind the fact that all we had to do to gain access to it was to remove the sanctions from Iraq.

ANd here we go, yet another buzzword, Sudan. Did you know that Sudan has oil too? I guess Bush is so stupid, he must've overlooked that one.

um, how am I coming across as the only one who understands what death is like?

With lines like this:
Yes I see the difference between millions and thousands but try telling family or a mother whos child was shot or run over by a tank that.

No, krem, It's an honest point. using a line like "war is bad, people die" is cold hearted. I am not presuming to know what death is like at all.

Then you're just appealing to emotion.

Understand, that it doesn't matter to a mother whether her child died of cancer, car crash or a tank.

Since when is emotion a bad thing?

When your whole argument is based on emotion, it's a bad thing.

My whole argument based on emotion? People dying is an emotion? Well when a argument lacks "emotion" it seems a bit...cold hearted, as in you would do anything to justify the means. That shit happens so deal with it.

I while ago, we learned in Philosophy that emotions should never have an influence on human judgement.

Of course, it is an illusory idea.