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And wasn't the US-led coalition engaging in a proxy war in Syria with Russia? (Not sure if that is an accurate description. Correct me if I am wrong.) Should the US bear some responsibility for the people displaced by the war?

1) maybe the Russians are engaged in a proxy war with the U.S. but I am not sure Obama is aware of this.
2) The war in Syria started years before Russian stepped in two months ago. If you mean spillover from Iraq war to Syria, that is probably a factor but Syria also worked to destabilize Iraq with help from Iran.

https://twitter.com/TomRisen/status/665237017517793281?s=09


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In more important news, there has been a large police raid in a banlieue of Paris. Apparently three people dead, two of them terrorists. One was a woman who blew herself up, when the special forces tried to arrest her. Seven people have been arrested. They say another attack on Paris was being prepared.

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In more important news, there has been a large police raid in a banlieue of Paris. Apparently three people dead, two of them terrorists. One was a woman who blew herself up, when the special forces tried to arrest her. Seven people have been arrested. They say another attack on Paris was being prepared.

Sweden raised its terror level, a bunch of arrests at the Istanbul airport, and a police dog was also killed by the female bomber.


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Shouldn't the ISIL publication, "Dabiq" be banned? It features pictorials of the bombs that they use to take down aircraft and people, and since those responsible do not believe in Free Press for All, given their attacks against "Charlie Hebdo", haven't they forfeited their Right to equal Free Press?
Why should they profit on the sale of their ambitions against us?


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I spoke too soon. Looking around, it doesn't appear to be for sale anywhere anymore, but new issues are still available for free online.


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i.hope wrote:

And wasn't the US-led coalition engaging in a proxy war in Syria with Russia? (Not sure if that is an accurate description. Correct me if I am wrong.) Should the US bear some responsibility for the people displaced by the war?

1) maybe the Russians are engaged in a proxy war with the U.S. but I am not sure Obama is aware of this.
2) The war in Syria started years before Russian stepped in two months ago. If you mean spillover from Iraq war to Syria, that is probably a factor but Syria also worked to destabilize Iraq with help from Iran.

https://twitter.com/TomRisen/status/665237017517793281?s=09


Russia is launching airstrikes to assist Assad. The US is supplying weapons to insurgents in Syria against the Assad regime. Yes, it looks like a proxy war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-russia-airstrikes.html?_r=1

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/syria-rebel-groups-ammunition-50-tons/index.html

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/16/world/middleeast/untangling-the-overlapping-conflicts-in-the-syrian-war.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


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i.hope wrote:

And wasn't the US-led coalition engaging in a proxy war in Syria with Russia? (Not sure if that is an accurate description. Correct me if I am wrong.) Should the US bear some responsibility for the people displaced by the war?

1) maybe the Russians are engaged in a proxy war with the U.S. but I am not sure Obama is aware of this.
2) The war in Syria started years before Russian stepped in two months ago. If you mean spillover from Iraq war to Syria, that is probably a factor but Syria also worked to destabilize Iraq with help from Iran.

https://twitter.com/TomRisen/status/665237017517793281?s=09


Russia is launching airstrikes to assist Assad. The US is supplying weapons to insurgents in Syria against the Assad regime. Yes, it looks like a proxy war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-russia-airstrikes.html?_r=1

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/12/politics/syria-rebel-groups-ammunition-50-tons/index.html

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/16/world/middleeast/untangling-the-overlapping-conflicts-in-the-syrian-war.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


My point was the war had been going on for years before Russia started acting directly and the U.S. started training its handful of dead fighters. I fail to see how that means the U.S. bears some responsibility for the displacement that has been going on for years.

Remember Obama's "red line" comments a couple of years ago when he did nothing after Assad gassed people?


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Bono referred to the events as a "direct hit against music". lol

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Which events? "The Paris Attack" or "U2"?


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Now Isil wants a piece of this:

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Remember after 9/11 when the GOP wanted to deny asylum to Saudi Arabians?

Me neither...

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Remember after the Civil War when Southern sympathizers killed the president and tried to decapitate the federal government, no one thought the Confederacy was getting stronger or the Union military strategy had failed. So why is everyone wetting the bed now?

How is the threat of terrorism any different than it was after London, Madrid, or Mumbai? Isis/Dash wants us to do stupid shit like we did after 9/11 and invade Iraq it puffs up their status with the disenfranchised while it gives them more time. I am not omniscient, but it it seems like Obama's strategy is working and Isis is trying more desperate measures. I don't see how it is any different that the Japanese employing kamikazes when they had lost the war.

I don't understand why people in America are so scared of being killed by Isis when the odds of being in a mass or random isolated shooting are higher, although the odds of dying in any of these scenarios is quite low.

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It's stupidly hilarious that religo's are calling for not letting Muslims in, and have condemned them all... when they "conveniently" forget that the KKK is a Christian group. Sure am glad we killed all Christians!

I am an athiest and don't want to let them in or if we do, I would prioritize the Christian refugees.

If a bunch of white people fled the South in the Civil War and declared themselves refugees, and you were a country in Africa (not controlled by Europe), would you have said "come on in!" Or would you perhaps have said "no" knowing that although a small percentage were sympathic to the Confederacy it was a risk you did not want to take?

Did Israel have an obligation in 1948 to accept what remained of the German refugees of non-Jewish background? Even though only a small part may have had Nazi synpathies?


A bunch of hypotheticals that never happened, while ignoring the fact we took in fascists from Italy and Nazis after WW II, Koreans after KW, Vietnamese after VW, we have taken in Iraqis and Iranians since the Shah's removal. We took in Cubans that Castro dumped. Why exactly is this time different? I am not denying there is some risk, but there is always some level of risk when dealing with humans interacting. We are not deporting gun nuts whenever there is a shooting.

We take in refugees fleeing oppression or war torn regions.

France and the U.S. are similar in some respects, but Muslims are much more integrated in our country than they are in France. There have been some incidents like Ft. Hood, but I have not seen a disproportionate rate in comparison to other ethnic or religious groups.

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I agree. Evil gets desperate when they are losing. And Good People who are protesting violence do not resort to violence. They take the higher road of Free Speech. Jihadi John was said to be a computer programmer. He was not an illiterate. But look at what he did with 'his intelligence'.


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Remember after 9/11 when the GOP wanted to deny asylum to Saudi Arabians?

Me neither...

I thought Republicans hated brown people and we're mostly all racist ? Even back then, right?


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What about the state of Minnesota where the relatively large Somali population has had trouble integrating and has been ripe recruiting grounds for ISIS and other groups?

If the U.S. had trouble vetting a handful of [now dead or turncoat] Syrian fighters to battle [Assad? ISIS? Who knows] in Syria, why do you think it can vet 10,000 Syrians per year here?

Also, with the GOP in Congress, won't they just be a bunch of racist/religionists that obstruct and refuse to fund the refugee plan in full due to racism so it will inevitably fail? Plus all the racist governors will no doubt racistly racist shit up or something. By spreading fear and #Islamophobia (well, they are too dumb too know about hashtags, but you get the point).

ISIS wants climate change, so when you drive you support ISIS. If you disagree with Obama, you are not a pragmatist and also you further the ISIS agenda.


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And Good People who are protesting violence do not resort to violence. They take the higher road of Free Speech.


Huh? What does that even mean? Are you speaking about Syrians and Iraqis protesting violence by ISIS? French protesting violence? People in the U.S. protesting violence? Is the perpetrator of violence in this scenario ISIS or people that don't want more refugees?

I would submit that passivity in the face of violent murderers is idiocy. I am sure that ISIS trembles in the face of hashtags.


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No, I mean ISIL's use of violence against the innocent in Paris. Good people don't do that.


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A hotel attack in Mali, leaving 21 people dead. ISIL seems to be focused on committing Friday attacks.
After picking up their paychecks?


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Friday is the day they celebrate the Sabbath, no? Not saying that is why they did it. 9/12 was a Tuesday.


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No, I mean ISIL's use of violence against the innocent in Paris. Good people don't do that.


There are no good or bad people...we are all born the same. No human being, save for a few very disturbed ones by a mental illness, actually desire to kill others from the outset. Circumstances dictate what we become. Those people turned against humanity and committed inhuman, unforgivable acts after humanity has failed them. *sigh*

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