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Krem wrote:
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religion just can't be thrown out just because people in another country who have learnt to live without it have already done so.

religion is sometimes so embedded, its required to be part of politics till a later time when its more acceptable. its better to start small and gradually bring changes than negate religion all toegether from the start .... doesn't bode well with people.


Who's talking about negating religion? Have as much religion as you want, doesn't bother me none.


prolly misunderstood your statement there then ....


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hans wrote:
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The U.S. is a deeply religious country too, yet we manage to more or less keep the religion out of politics (liberals' claims to the opposite nonwithstanding). I think you give too little credit to the Iraqis; I'm sure, if given the chance, they would love to sort things out for themselves.


So is the Uk????? Maybe the older generation but really, i doubt now. Judging by people i know Religion has been thrown out of the window in recent times in western countries, bar major holidays; christmas etc :?

If you don't like the word "is" there, substitute it for "were"; it doesn't change my point.


If you have been to a country similar you will realise religion is a way of life, US, Uk etc. too a lesser extent.

I'm not sure I understand your point. So religion is a way of life (in Iraq I presume), and that's supposed to tell me what? That the government has to be divided among the religious lines?


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:? :? I thought you said something along the lines of the US can keep religion out, so why cant Iraq whoops :oops: :oops:

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hans wrote:
:? :? I thought you said something along the lines of the US can keep religion out, so why cant Iraq whoops :oops: :oops:


dont worry, i got the same impression ...


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hans wrote:
:? :? I thought you said something along the lines of the US can keep religion out, so why cant Iraq whoops :oops: :oops:

What I meant was that in the U.S. we manage to not have religious conflicts in politics.


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Krem wrote:
What I meant was that in the U.S. we manage to not have religious conflicts in politics.


ok :wink: i sorta read along the lines there

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Krem wrote:
The U.S. is a deeply religious country too, yet we manage to more or less keep the religion out of politics (liberals' claims to the opposite nonwithstanding). I think you give too little credit to the Iraqis; I'm sure, if given the chance, they would love to sort things out for themselves.


Its comepletely different. Sure we were found by deeply religious people (in the Northeast that is, Virginia was a different story) that didn't like government stifling of their practices. So we already had some sort of vague concept seperation of church and state. Yes we are heavily religious, and don't worry the way things are going now, just give it 50 years and I think we'll expect our Prez to vow allegiance to the New testament (oh wait a minunte.....). Ok, vow to it but not as a formality.

What I meant to say is not that the U.S. is less religious, but that we constructed the space in which we practice differently. I give the Iraqis plenty of credit, enough that I didn't think we should be bombing the hell out of them. Also, they will clearly re-organize and do well, I just think its not going to be a one election turn-around. These things take time, we should realize this after we thought Haiti was so easy, and that didn't even have the same fringe religious fundamentalism groups.


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