
Re: Who is leading China?
i.hope wrote:
DP07 wrote:
I just have to comment: that assumes the west represents the moral high ground. In truth no nation makes something valid because they do it. It was before and it will be after, regardless of whether people recognize it.
Liberal ideas such as constitutional government, representative democracy and individual rights that originated from the West did have a significant impact on the democratization of countries like South Korea and Taiwan.
Western values are not synonymous with ‘individual rights’ since it doesn’t follow that all ‘individual rights’ are western values, or that all western values support ‘individual rights’. Values themselves, almost by definition, are not necessarily good things, they depend on context and application. So it’s possible to think that there is something positive about the motivation for western values even if in reality they fail, are flawed to the point of being counterproductive, are used as excuses for other bad ideas, they further insidious political agendas, or are used to ignore difficult realities. In other words they function like values have across cultures through history. Case in point, authoritarianism is justified as a source of social stability, a solution to problems like drugs, and a foundation for sovereignty, moderation, and law and order.
I don’t agree with the notion that they originated from the west anymore than the idea that civilization originated from Rome. In any case I think the west’s influence is centered around economics. Social liberalism is correlated very strongly with economic stability. And the west uses economic power and the sanctions regime to do all sorts of things inconsistent with their own values so as to have economic stability for their allies and economic hardship for their enemies. Sure China’s economic progress won’t change the government, but it’ not North Korea either. In any case these sorts of ideas were as inevitable as civilization itself.
If you were to give me a yes or no quiz, you might think I support western ideas. You might even say I much further to the other side of the political spectrum, away from ‘authoritarianism’. I consider such values secondary though, if I even consider them relevant at all. At best I think they are simplistic. I for one abhor western values, since I don’t define the purpose of such things or the epistemology in a way that is consistent with western values or finds it acceptable or sufficient. It’s evident they mean different things in the abstract than practice. Putting things into practice demands respect for truth regardless of whether it satisfies you emotionally, serves your desires, or appears to challenge your values.