But nothing is pissing me off... obviously I pissed you off, but you told me.

How many cute little field mice and poor baby deer were killed by the farmer's tractor to make your vegan meal? :wink:

How many cute little field mice and poor baby deer were killed by the farmer's tractor to make your vegan meal? :wink:

Tony, I believe we've talked about this before?

Like I said then, you have to choose your battles. The fact is, you will never be able to completely avoid benefiting from something that came about by harming an animal. Personally, I think that says more about the world we live in than the futility of trying to change it. I mean, I think it's better to at least do something than nothing at all.

Baby mice: 500 (they should send them tractors over to the city and help us out where mice and rats are actually a problem)

Baby deer: 0 (you know how hard it is to hit a deer in a vehicle that a man on foot could easily outwalk?)

I take issue with your stats. Sometimes combines hit poor baby deer and mutilate them and the parts end up in your baked beans. I know this for a fact and have talked to deer that it happened to.

Good thing I don't eat baked beans I guess.

I'm more concerned about how to translate the tractor field mouse relationship into a productive extermination problem for those massive rodents that are always up on the platform with me when I'm taking the subway.

Don't exterminate them you cold hearted bitch! Befriend them. Take them home. Love and kiss them. Try talking to them and give them food. They make good pets. It's not too late to warm that heart and open it up to a cute fuzzy little rat.

Firstly: Yes it is too late. I already had one run over my foot back when i lived in boston. i kicked it off, it hit the wall, scrambled to its feet and ran right back at me...and this was my bedroom. I screamed very loudly. No more pet mice for dolce.

Secondly: I am a bitch. I've said it since day one, so I don't know why people would expect me to do anything less than devise a vicious tractor extermination plan. Its the first step in my plans to rule the world you should know. I think it's a pretty good platform. Vote me for supreme ruler, and you'll have the luxury of not worrying about rabis. I consider rabis to be a good easy selling point...kinda like steroid use in highschool athletics. No one really wants either of them, I don't see anyone challenging me on the point.

Except for maybe you.

I'll have to see what I can do about that...

very funny but end this hi jack. I have a steak thread going and i for one do not wish for that turning ugly!

very funny but end this hi jack.

Well, becoming a vegetarian was actually quite easy for me. I just decided to stop eating meat one day, and I never went back. Faux meat was a big crutch during the initial transition. You'd be amazed what a Quorn product can do for a craving. You'll notice at that wbesite, though, that all of the meat free Quorn products are only vegetarain, not vegan. This is the case with most faux meat. That brings me to the vegan transition, which was really difficult. Veganism is something that shouldn't be entered into lightly, as it is truly a complete and total lifestyle change. Your diet essentially becomes whole grain products (bread, pasta, rice), fruit, vegetables, beans, and nuts. Tofu will become your best friend. Becoming vegan was one of the most difficult, but ultimatly rewarding experiences i've ever had in my life. It's one of the few things in my life i'm truly proud of. I can't recommend it enough, but it takes insane amounts of discipline and patience with yourself. I'd definitely recommend starting out as a vegetarian. It's incredibly easy to do in this day and age with all of the faux meat products on the market. Like I mentioned above, Quorn is hand's down the best tasting product. The "chicken patties" taste so much like the real thing a lot of vegetarians can't/won't eat them.

Anywho, good luck to you box if you ever do decide to give this a shot. It probably won't be easy, but I think it's something more people should at least try.

I found the Quorn patties at a local store on Thursday. I had one for lunch and, yeah, it was pretty good (it's better than most Chicken patties, actually). However, I then read some article online about how the fungus can give you some sort of allergy (I wanted to see what other products they had and accidently stumbled on that article) and, well...it freaked me out a bit...

The article was dated from '02, I think. Do you know if they've changed anything about it since the complaints (if you've heard 'em)?

Heh. You read the CSPI article, huh? http://www.vegsource.com/healingheart/m ... 98972.html. CSPI are big time Gardenburger supporters.

Also, I can tell you that I know of about ten people off hand that eat Quorn products regularly and have never had a problem.