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Mau
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LOL poor Reigns.
Poor poor Reigns. At this rate they better not close WM out. Cuz it's gonna be a SHITSHOW.
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Shack
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Lol I loved the last segment. Can't wait for the AT&T crowd when Reigns wins the title. They were tone deaf to not realize a month ago it was time to change plans and make Wrestlemania Ambrose's crowning moment
The Shane O'Mac/Undertaker stuff I got spoiled, but that's ok, it was still awesome knowing what would happen
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Flava'd vs The World
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Oh my that was such a great opening segment. The booking for the Mania undercard is A+ so far. And the Reigns/HHH match will be good even if Dallas will be 100% behind HHH. I would say put The Rock out there as the referee, but that's already failed once before and you know The Rock is done with getting booed.
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Shack
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Time to turn into the swerve, let him get booed, then start heel turn as he snaps on the crowd the next night
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Alex Y.
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If Shane was planning to be back all along,they should've shuffled the top matches at WM to make more sense:
* Reigns (champ) v undertaker - belt v retirement; reigns is getting boos anyway so put him against a real face in UT rather than HHH, and he could really use the UT rub that is wasted on Shane. This match is big enough that it doesn't need the title, which could be part of Ambrose-lesnar match instead if reigns not champ. * Hhh v. Shane for control of raw - this actually makes more sense storylinewise than having UT as heel against face Shane.
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I can't imagine this being planned for more than the last few weeks at most. Just last week we were talking about freakin Goldberg as Takers Mania opponent, but you know Vince really wanted it to be Cena. This seems more like a "favor for dad" then Shane coming back full time.
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Shack
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Alex Y. wrote: If Shane was planning to be back all along,they should've shuffled the top matches at WM to make more sense:
* Reigns (champ) v undertaker - belt v retirement; reigns is getting boos anyway so put him against a real face in UT rather than HHH, and he could really use the UT rub that is wasted on Shane. This match is big enough that it doesn't need the title, which could be part of Ambrose-lesnar match instead if reigns not champ. * Hhh v. Shane for control of raw - this actually makes more sense storylinewise than having UT as heel against face Shane. Agreed, Ambrose beating Brock for the title to massive cheers, HHH vs Shane for control of Raw and Undertaker vs Reigns would have been a strong combination. One problem is by the Royal Rumble they were obviously planning Brock vs Wyatt family storyline and probably Ambrose in an IC title match at WM, based on Wyatts eliminating Brock and Ambrose beating Owens. So if true they misjudged at the time that Ambrose needed to be in a main event caliber match and that Bray had been too diluted to be in one. Still I think the current lineup is almost as good other than when people will boo when Reigns wins. I wonder if the original plan was for Cena to be Shane's wrestler and Undertaker to be Vince's wrestler for control of Raw, in a Hell in a Cell. That would've truly been a match for the ages on paper By the way, Owens tweeted about Styles staying away from his IC title... so I think that can be added to Wrestlemania... although unclear if it's just 1 on 1 or eg. Jericho is added
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Biggestgeekever
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 This was totally Triple H going into business for himself, getting that uber face pop. What an asshole lol
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Mau
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There was no way the crowd was turning on him so he did what was best for them. LOL
YEah it's a dickhead move but he just embraced the moment.
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Mister Ecks
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I'm fine with Triple H stealing that moment... if they hadn't spent 15 months building Roman Reigns as the next top babyface. It's a monumentally awful decision that no one is allowing to be rectified at any cost at all. So instead of changing it, they're just building the rest of the card. Which is great, but the WWE title match should mean everything at Mania.
Love the idea of Lesnar and Ambrose, but only if Ambrose goes over. Aside from taking vicious beatings, he's not showing he can overcome Lesnar at all. So if he doesn't win, it'll be a two month burial of Dean Ambrose. But having him beat Lesnar at Mania could be huge for him.
Never mind, we know he'll lose if it means it could further someone who's a full-time worker.
That Shane reaction was epic. I actually only watched RAW today and had no idea about it. Talk about a shocking moment. Even more shocking is facing Undertaker. I have no idea how this will work. Can they really risk having Undertaker go heel this late in his career? And will he be the Dead Man? I don't see how that makes sense for a storyline like this. The Dead Man is willing to represent Vince McMahon?
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Biggestgeekever
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I got your reasoning right here
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Mister Ecks
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I'm thinking more about the complete mishandling of Roman Reigns for fifteen months. Look at some of the AWFUL decisions made to further his character with the crowd, rather than bite the bullet and make him a heel:
-Book him to win the 2015 Royal Rumble, thinking it would soften the blow of not having Daniel Bryan win. I honestly believe WWE thought Roman winning would win back the fans who were FEROCIOUSLY hoping for Bryan to win.
-Pit him against Daniel Bryan at Fastlane and have him go over. The logic was obviously that fans would gain respect from Reigns after a hard-fought battle over the underdog. Nope.
-Put him against The Beast, whose popularity waned a bit after being an absentee champion for too long. Book him as the underdog and that will make him almost like Daniel Bryan from a year earlier! Nope.
-Putting him against Bray Wyatt, who desperately needs a boost, which effectively helped make 2015 a terrible year for Wyatt. I don't remember a lot about this feud, but I'm more upset at the decision to boost Reigns by sacrificing Bray Wyatt.
-Having Reigns hold the title for a while was a bad idea. It killed any importance to the forthcoming Mania match. It did provide him with a brief respite from the audience hate, but at what cost?
-Putting him against Triple H. People hate The Authority, and so people will boo Triple H when he's a heel, but of course Paul Levesque knows people will always choose Triple H, the cool heel, over the lukewarm babyface (Orton in 2004, Cena in 2006).
There's only one solution, and it's a heel turn. He is not John Cena circa 2006. His crowd support is nowhere near as strong as Cena at his lowest point. You cannot keep him a face to prove he's the next megastar.
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Shack
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Mister Ecks wrote: I'm thinking more about the complete mishandling of Roman Reigns for fifteen months. Look at some of the AWFUL decisions made to further his character with the crowd, rather than bite the bullet and make him a heel:
-Book him to win the 2015 Royal Rumble, thinking it would soften the blow of not having Daniel Bryan win. I honestly believe WWE thought Roman winning would win back the fans who were FEROCIOUSLY hoping for Bryan to win.
-Pit him against Daniel Bryan at Fastlane and have him go over. The logic was obviously that fans would gain respect from Reigns after a hard-fought battle over the underdog. Nope.
-Put him against The Beast, whose popularity waned a bit after being an absentee champion for too long. Book him as the underdog and that will make him almost like Daniel Bryan from a year earlier! Nope.
-Putting him against Bray Wyatt, who desperately needs a boost, which effectively helped make 2015 a terrible year for Wyatt. I don't remember a lot about this feud, but I'm more upset at the decision to boost Reigns by sacrificing Bray Wyatt.
-Having Reigns hold the title for a while was a bad idea. It killed any importance to the forthcoming Mania match. It did provide him with a brief respite from the audience hate, but at what cost?
-Putting him against Triple H. People hate The Authority, and so people will boo Triple H when he's a heel, but of course Paul Levesque knows people will always choose Triple H, the cool heel, over the lukewarm babyface (Orton in 2004, Cena in 2006).
There's only one solution, and it's a heel turn. He is not John Cena circa 2006. His crowd support is nowhere near as strong as Cena at his lowest point. You cannot keep him a face to prove he's the next megastar. Not only did they do everything they could for him to get over this way, but I'd argue Reigns in 2015 should have had a huge assist from his in the ring performances to get over. Looking at these matches - Reigns vs Bryan (Fast Lane): Very good match, won over the fans enough that they didn't boo when Bryan lost - Reigns vs Lesnar (Wrestlemania): Awesome main event/storytelling with the laughing Reigns, bleeding Lesnar, etc. - Reigns vs Big Show (Extreme Rules): Stole the show somehow - Reigns vs Bray Wyatt (Hell in a Cell): Quite excellent - Reigns vs Owens vs ADR vs Ziggler (Fatal 4 way #1 contender match): One of the best Raw matches of the year, got nominated for match of the year at Slammys - Reigns vs Ambrose (Survivor Series): Pretty nice brother vs brother match - Reigns vs Sheamus (TLC) and Reigns vs Sheamus (Raw the night after): Both of these worked well Maybe I'm underestimating his talent in the ring, but I don't know if the WWE can count on him keep having years that strong for Reigns matches, especially considering people will get increasingly familiar with the formula. They pulled out every trick in their bag for him storyline wise and got a lot of extra base hits in the ring matches, and it still ended with people chanting yes repeatedly as Triple H slammed his face on the table An article I found on Roman Reigns smile http://bplafferty.com/2016/02/28/roman-smile/ It sounds silly to put so much into a smile but I think it's reflective of the overall problem. When Roman smiles it's like nothing you can say you will hurt him. He's just going to smile and then win the match and then cash his cheque and bang his wife.
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Biggestgeekever
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That Raw was 100% baffling, like Vince tore up the script 30 minutes before the cameras starting rolling.
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Mister Ecks
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Worst of all, Dean Ambrose is in for not one but two major losses in the next five weeks. Obviously he won't beat Triple H (or he'll win via DQ). And obviously he won't beat Brock Lesnar. It's good to know that the ghost of CM Punk is still alive and well, putting over part-timers and being there when the dust of Mania has settled.
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I think Dean will win at Mania actually. What are they building him for if not this? Dirty deeds on the steps should do it.
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Mister Ecks
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Flava'd vs The World wrote: I think Dean will win at Mania actually. What are they building him for if not this? Dirty deeds on the steps should do it. Maybe, but I don't see it. It should happen, but... I feel like Dean is becoming to go-to to put people over, even if they don't need it. Why would they have built Bray Wyatt and the Wyatt Family all this time? Even with Braun Strowman (like him or hate him), they still aren't dominant at all. And now Bray will face Brock on Roadblock? Eek. I see a lot of non-finishes at Roadblock though. I assume Dean will win via DQ after Brock and Roman become involved. Actually, that's really the best outcome is if they put all four men into a Fatal 4-Way for the title.
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Mister Ecks
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On the plus side, wins and losses aside, I'm actually digging the four announced matches thus far.
Roman Reigns vs. Triple H Shane McMahon vs. Undertaker (Hell in a Cell) Dean Ambrose vs. Brock Lesnar Charlotte vs. Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch
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Bray is more like Roman than Dean. Does anybody even pay attention to his promos anymore? The guy has had a couple great matches but he can't carry the show like Dean and Seth can. I'd like to see a coup in the Wyatt Family, with Harper taking over. Would be an interesting dynamic.
Dean is even better on smackdown than he was on Raw. The guy is a star. They have to put him over at Mania.
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Mister Ecks
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Bray's problem is he has become the go-to to put everyone over. Which I realize is exactly what I said about Dean, but Bray would have worked better if he had a few more noteworthy wins. The promos would mean more.
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Mister Ecks
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Two major question marks came out of Roadblock:
-Why continue pushing the Wyatts and Lesnar now, when neither is involved with the other at Mania? Lesnar could have faced anyone at Roadblock and had the same outcome.
-Why the false finish in the main event? So basically Dean did nothing to gain an advantage over his pinfall on Triple H, so... he could have beat him. Shouldn't he be added to the Mania match?
Not to mention that Roman Reigns has been absent this long. I know he's selling that terrible beatdown, the most devastating of which was the burial by Triple H, but he shouldn't be gone this long heading into Mania. No one believed Roadblock was an actual threat to changing Wrestlemania, so they didn't need that much promotion for it. It's bad enough that WWE, for all its screwy finishes, went with a clean victory for Triple H over Ambrose.
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Shack
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Roadblock was good. The main event lived up to its potential (Loved Figure Four and Sharpshooter spots, and the false 3 count worked for me), Enzo and Cass vs Dash and Dawson kind of stole the show, and surprisingly Charlotte vs Nattie was probably my favorite divas match this year and got a this is awesome chant. Making Lesnar face Harper instead of Bray was the biggest disappointment of the night, though I guess Bray desperately needed to not take another L
The top of the Wrestlemania card looks good but I'm not sure about some of these undercard feuds. Are they going to spend valuable Wrestlemania time on a Brie Bella vs Lana match? Kalisto vs Ryback for US title is a match for a PPV like Fast Lane, not Wrestlemania. I guess Ryback wins and it's part of a plan to make him a heel force. Owens vs Zayn has the storyline but Zayn just isn't proven... I haven't been that impressed by any of his main roster matches, for him to get a singles title match at Wrestlemania after doing nothing while guys like Neville and Ziggler worked their ass off all year feels wrong. Jericho vs Styles storyline has been good but I feel like it was shaky planning for the Wrestlemania match to have already happened 3 times. Maybe a month ago the plan was Ambrose vs heel Jericho for the IC title (before they dropped Bray/Lesnar, etc.) and then once Jericho lost his opponent in the process of the move to Lesnar/Ambrose, they pivoted. Maybe they should have just saved the inevitably incredible Y2AJ vs The New Day match for Wrestlemania. And what happens to Bray Wyatt? The combination I liked is Bray vs Ziggler, but it's getting late to start that, and Ziggler just started(?) a storyline with Stephanie McMahon?
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Mister Ecks
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I don't get Shane and Taker right now. Vince forced Taker into the feud. Taker doesn't want to work with Vince. But he is? Because Shane called him Vince's bitch? There's no reason for it. And if fans really want Shane to control RAW, shouldn't they have someone facing him that isn't getting a babyface reaction? At least turn him heel. If you're going to go this route, turn Undertaker heel. If this isn't his last match, by the time he's back, he'll get a face reaction again.
It's kind of distracting me from what should be a fun Mania match.
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Mister Ecks
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Also, Neville will miss Mania due to his injury on RAW. The Andre the Giant Battle Royale will miss him as the 9th place finisher.
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I think this year's road to Wrestlemania has seen more injuries than any other in history.
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