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zingy
College Boy Z
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Die Another Day
Die Another DayQuote: Die Another Day (2002) is the twentieth spy film in the James Bond series, and the fourth and last film to star Pierce Brosnan as the fictional MI6 agent James Bond; it is also the last Bond film of the original timeline with the series being rebooted with Casino Royale. In the pre-title sequence, Bond leads a mission to North Korea, during which he is found out and, after seemingly killing a rogue North Korean colonel, he is captured and imprisoned. More than a year later, Bond is released as part of a prisoner exchange, and, surmising that someone within the British government betrayed him, he follows a trail of clues in an effort to earn redemption by finding his betrayer and killing a North Korean agent he considers central to his torture.
Die Another Day, produced by Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli, and directed by Lee Tamahori, marks the franchise's 40th anniversary. The series began in 1962 with Sean Connery starring as Bond in Dr. No. Die Another Day includes references to each of the preceding films and also alludes to several Bond novels.
The 2002 film received mixed reviews—some critics praised Lee Tamahori's work on the film, while others claimed the plot was damaged by excessive use of CGI. Thus lauded by some and despite criticism, it was the highest-grossing James Bond film to that date. Say what you will, but it's one of my favorites. A
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:21 pm |
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Jmart
Superman: The Movie
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A tale of two halves.
The first 80 minutes of the film are about as perfect as a Bond film has been in the past couple of decades. Very reminicent of the Connery flicks. However, once we get to Gustav Graves' ice palace, the film turns into a CGI ridden mess.
I wish Brosnan got one more crack at being Bond, but I think think Craig will do a good job for Casino Royale, which I hope which will be much better than this was. However, I'd still give it a B based on the first 80 minutes.
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:28 pm |
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Maverikk
Award Winning Bastard
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:03 am Posts: 15310 Location: Slumming at KJ
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I loved it. It wasn't quite as good as Goldeneye, but it had many references to past Bond films, as Brosnan was great in it.
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:30 pm |
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Bradley Witherberry
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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It's a real James Bond movie!
I loved it! - not only is Die Another Day the best Bond movie in 19 years, but more importantly it has returned the series to the spirit of the one, the only, the true James Bond... (i.e. just the right mix of dry comedy, innovative action, and hot babes - in that order - but of course first of all comes simply -- cool... (or more properly in J.B's case: suave!))
The low point of the series I thought came in the second last movie, 1997's Tomorrow Never Dies - the James Bond spirit had definitely vanished by that time, what with Jimmy B. shooting a bazillion machine gun rounds in place of his classic Bond strategies. To my surprise this seeming corpse of a series, sprang bolt upright just two years later in 1999's The World is Not Enough. I can only attribute this to both Pierce Brosnan's underlying rightness for the role, and to whether he can be well served by his director - which he most ably is once again by the vision of Lee Tamahori.
5 out of 5.
(...plus, as an additional bonus, it creates a quality supply of new material for Mike Myers to riff on for many years to come...)
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:22 am |
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 9:53 am Posts: 13400
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The worst of the Brosnan Bonds. The story is very uninteresting and Halle Berry is one of the worse Bond girls ever.
Plus the scenes with Brosnan "surfing" away from the destroyed ice hotel and anything with the invisible car are just to stupid even by Bond Standards.
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The Dark Shape
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:56 am Posts: 12119 Location: Adrift in L.A.
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The first hour is great. The last? Not so much.
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Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:56 pm |
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13270 Location: Vienna
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Maybe the worst Bond ever. D+
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zennier
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Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:38 pm Posts: 10316 Location: berkeley
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An unimportant, overblown chapter in the Bond series.
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:43 pm |
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A. G.
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:23 am Posts: 13347
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Mediocre. It had good production values and that does count for something, but just an airheaded entry into the series.
It wasn't the worst though, some of the Roger Moore ones were almost unwatchably lame.
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:43 pm |
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Anonymous
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as the world's foremost self-declared Bond expert, I have to say there are bits and pieces of great Bond (the country club fight, R's work) and Bond at its worse (ice palace, surfing, just about everything else).
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:18 pm |
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Maverikk
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loyalfromlondon wrote: as the world's foremost self-declared Bond expert, I have to say there are bits and pieces of great Bond (the country club fight, R's work) and Bond at its worse (ice palace, surfing, just about everything else).
I am the world's foremost self-declared Bond expert!!!
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Dr. Lecter
You must have big rats
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Maverikk wrote: loyalfromlondon wrote: as the world's foremost self-declared Bond expert, I have to say there are bits and pieces of great Bond (the country club fight, R's work) and Bond at its worse (ice palace, surfing, just about everything else). I am the world's foremost self-declared Bond expert!!!
Why do you give it an A then?
No one in their right mind can say that the surfing escape later in the film was good...that was Moonraker level terribly-looking.
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:26 pm |
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Mr. Reynolds
Confessing on a Dance Floor
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best bond song ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dr. Lecter
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Mixed bag as some said here, but the positive outweighs the negative here. Some of the CGI is terrible (surfing?!) and some of the ideas are too stupid, even for a Bond film, but Brosnan is on top of the game, Halle Berry is one of the very best recent Bond girls and the villain is solid as well. Some very decent action scenes too and the movie opened very very well (the whole thingwith Bond captured and tortured was certainly an unusual twist). After that the quality sinks slowly, but surely, but at the end of the day, it is still an entertaining romp. Not one of the best Bonds, heck not even Brosnan's best, but still decent.
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:33 pm |
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Maverikk
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Dr. Lecter wrote: Why do you give it an A then?
No one in their right mind can say that the surfing escape later in the film was good...that was Moonraker level terribly-looking. Two things between us differ. (more than two, but for this thread's purpose, it's two) 1) I don't put stock in movie trailers the way you do. 2) I don't judge movies based on one crappy effect. Dr. Lecter wrote: A
Best Movie of the Year. Watts deserves a Best Actress nod and the movie should win Best Art Direction, Best Visual Effects and Best Editing.
Funny how you don't mind glossing over shitty effects, huh?
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:34 pm |
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I can understand Bradley giving it an A or 5 out of 5 points or triple M's, whatever his fuckin' scale is. That's his bag, giving bad movies great grades.
But Mav, there's no way Die Another Die is an A. Even in the context of grading Bond films differently from other films, giving Die an A, means you'd have to give Thunderball or Goldfinger or whichever truly great Bond film you love, a what, Super Duper A+.
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:34 pm |
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Maverikk
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loyalfromlondon wrote: I can understand Bradley giving it an A or 5 out of 5 points or triple M's, whatever his fuckin' scale is. That's his bag, giving bad movies great grades.
But Mav, there's no way Die Another Die is an A. Even in the context of grading Bond films differently from other films, giving Die an A, means you'd have to give Thunderball or Goldfinger or whichever truly great Bond film you love, a what, Super Duper A+.
No, they'd get an A+
I'd say that Die Another Day is about 6th or 7th on my list of favorites. I felt it had all the incredients of a great Bond picture, minus the ridiculous surfing effect.
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:37 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Maverikk wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: Why do you give it an A then?
No one in their right mind can say that the surfing escape later in the film was good...that was Moonraker level terribly-looking. Two things between us differ. (more than two, but for this thread's purpose, it's two) 1) I don't put stock in movie trailers the way you do. 2) I don't judge movies based on one crappy effect. Dr. Lecter wrote: A
Best Movie of the Year. Watts deserves a Best Actress nod and the movie should win Best Art Direction, Best Visual Effects and Best Editing. Funny how you don't mind glossing over shitty effects, huh?
1. As long as great ones outweigh by a HUGE margin
2. As long as the scene itself doesn't look ridiculous...Bond escaping through...uhh...surfing is ridiculous. Okay, the beginning sequence in Goldeneye with the plane is ridiculous as well, but at least it looked cool. Here...it doesn't.
Oh and what do trailers have to do with this thread's purpose?
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:05 pm |
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Maverikk
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Dr. Lecter wrote: As long as the scene itself doesn't look ridiculous...Bond escaping through...uhh...surfing is ridiculous. Okay, the beginning sequence in Goldeneye with the plane is ridiculous as well, but at least it looked cool. Here...it doesn't.
You mean like the ridiculous looking stampede in King Kong, or the attack of the giant mosquitos that the men opened fire at without aiming, and didn't hit the guys the mosquitos were on? Not only did you gloss over that ridiculous stuff, but you even said it should win an Oscar, when giving your A grade and calling it the best film of the year, so you really shouldn't call out others for giving A's to far less ridiculous looking effects. Bad as the surfing scene was, it didn't compare to those Kong scenes on the ridiculous scale.
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Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:20 pm |
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Dr. Lecter
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Maverikk wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: As long as the scene itself doesn't look ridiculous...Bond escaping through...uhh...surfing is ridiculous. Okay, the beginning sequence in Goldeneye with the plane is ridiculous as well, but at least it looked cool. Here...it doesn't. You mean like the ridiculous looking stampede in King Kong, or the attack of the giant mosquitos that the men opened fire at without aiming, and didn't hit the guys the mosquitos were on? Not only did you gloss over that ridiculous stuff, but you even said it should win an Oscar, when giving your A grade and calling it the best film of the year, so you really shouldn't call out others for giving A's to far less ridiculous looking effects. Bad as the surfing scene was, it didn't compare to those Kong scenes on the ridiculous scale.
You don't get it. Not only the surfing scene was bad in terms of effects, it was ridiculous in its very conception. Escaping per surfing along those huge ways and away from a huge explosion was a bad idea to begin with, a very bad one, even nevermind the effects.
The stampede looked green-screen at times (but not all the time) and shooting the mosquitos scene is well among the realm of suspension of disbelief for fantasy flicks (because if you nitpick that I can find 100 of things to nitpick with Bond films), but on the whole the Kong fight with the T-Rex's and King Kong himself were better effects than all effects in all movies last year taken together and multiplied by two, thus it deserved the Oscar.
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Bradley Witherberry
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The Bond franchises' action-humor ratio demands a fairly high level of ridiculousness -- I look forward to it...
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jd.grill
Speed Racer
Joined: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:32 pm Posts: 168 Location: at the movies
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for starters, Halle Berry ruined this for me.
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MovieDude
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Loved it, and I guess I was the one easily pleased goof out there who didn't mind the surfing scene. Then again, subpar special effects don't bother me as much as they seem to for many, it has to be pretty awful to take me out of the movie.
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nghtvsn
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I gave this Bond an A because I liked Halle Berry's character and the swordfight sequence although prolly could have done without some of the stuff on the ice but it was nice overall.
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Jeff
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Horrid. First Bond movie I ever watched and if it hadn't been for Casino Royale's great marketing I would have skipped all future installments as well.
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