NBA - Finals - San Antonio sweeps Cleveland?
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xiayun
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Now Kobe is actually demanding a trade. McGrady one is an interesting idea.  But I'd think he wants to go east (like Chicago) so that he could be in the final more often.
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Flava'd vs The World
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TonyMontana
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Kobe is a gigantic idiot, and I would never want him on my favorite team. If he landed on the Pistons roster, I'd quit watching them.
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Flava'd vs The World
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TonyMontana wrote: Kobe is a gigantic idiot, and I would never want him on my favorite team. If he landed on the Pistons roster, I'd quit watching them. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... ms=8~13~13
this is fun 
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TonyMontana
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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jujubee
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That won't happen, because Rip has said he goes where Chauncey goes, not Sheed. Fucking Pistons better not lose Chauncey. 
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Shack
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Lakers message boarders are big on wanting Bosh. I'd fucking kill something if that happened. I'm glad we have Colangelo with us now to prevent any possibility, old management probably would've been stupid enough to be interested. Kobe would probably refuse to play in Canada like Mourning and Francis anyways.
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Wed May 30, 2007 2:29 pm |
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TonyMontana
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jujubee wrote: That won't happen, because Rip has said he goes where Chauncey goes, not Sheed. Fucking Pistons better not lose Chauncey. 
But it said the trade was accepted. I think it's a done deal. That damn Flava'd just traded Rip and Sheed. 
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Wed May 30, 2007 2:33 pm |
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jujubee
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TonyMontana wrote: jujubee wrote: That won't happen, because Rip has said he goes where Chauncey goes, not Sheed. Fucking Pistons better not lose Chauncey.  But it said the trade was accepted. I think it's a done deal. That damn Flava'd just traded Rip and Sheed. 
In that case, at least we still have Chauncey, though a fat lot of good good he's been doing.
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Wed May 30, 2007 2:46 pm |
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Shack
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I hope Kobe doesn't go to the Bulls, or if he does, I hope Chicago gives up something stupid like Gordon and Deng. I don't really want to face Hinrich/Kobe/Deng or Gordon/Thomas/Wallace in the EC. That's a bit fearsome.
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Wed May 30, 2007 2:53 pm |
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Joker's Thug #3
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I'm a semi-hater, but hey i'd still want the rapist on my team. BD, Kobe, SJax? Pssh, fuk yeah
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Wed May 30, 2007 4:19 pm |
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Joker's Thug #3
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I dont think Kobe will be out of a Lakers uniform until midseason, few weeks before the deadline is over once the Lakers are 15 games under .500.
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Wed May 30, 2007 4:25 pm |
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TonyMontana wrote: What the hell is this? This is the second game in a row the Cavs were unbelievably hot in the 4th quarter, and Detroit was ice cold. Where is the Cleveland team that chokes like crazy? I miss them! With every game coming down to the last minute, it looks like home court is going to make the difference. It's definitely smelling like a 7 game series now. Luckily there is plenty of time for the classic Cavs team to show up... the one that chokes.
We choke in the 3rd quarter now! 
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Wed May 30, 2007 5:34 pm |
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Shack
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No, he'll go before next season starts. I think his exact words were "I'd more likely play on Pluto than in a Lakers uniform again"... He's pretty upfront about it.
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Wed May 30, 2007 6:20 pm |
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makeshift
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Shack wrote: No, he'll go before next season starts. I think his exact words were "I'd more likely play on Pluto than in a Lakers uniform again"... He's pretty upfront about it.
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Wed May 30, 2007 6:36 pm |
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Shack
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He just backed off and he now says he wants to be a Laker for life.
Wtf. What a dick. They should trade him just for being a back and forth shit disturber.
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Jmart
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I hope the Celtics go after the raping ball-hogger. At least he's good.
And this Jazz/Spurs series is just atrocious. I haven't watched much of it, but it seems like any time I tune into ESPN, the Jazz are down by 20. It's pathetic. Hopefully the Spurs just end this quickly tonight.
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Shack
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I'm at a loss for words to describe that... series.
Oh, but at least I finally nailed something.
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Wed May 30, 2007 11:44 pm |
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Shack
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I'm borrowing this statement from someone on a different board, but the lottery and offseason bounty is more exciting than the playoffs this year. Sad.
Still think Kobe goes. Simmons kicked out an article already listing the best to worst deals, before Kobe retracted. His ultimate dream package is listed as Marion, Barbosa, Banks, and Atlanta's 1st round 08 pick for Kobe and Radmanovic. It would work for both obviously, plus it fills all the sideplots of Kobe wanting to win and wanting a good market, Phoenix needing an upgrade, Phoenix being in contract trouble, Marion wanting to be a bigger star, and the Lakers getting a good return. Only issue is Lakers would be giving up their division for a while, though they weren't going to challenge Phoenix as they are anyways.
Something tells me that won't happen though, it's too big of a deal. Nash and Kobe would be too insane to believe. Probably a dream, though a damn fine one at that.
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Joker's Thug #3
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Quote: The Logo's livid with Kobe By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports May 29, 2007
Sooner or later, Kobe Bryant turns on everyone in his life. Professional, personal, it's never mattered to him. He can be calculated and merciless this way. When he wants something, it seems everyone's disposable.
So, it is little surprise to discover that, through a source who has spoken with Jerry West, that the Logo is downright livid with Bryant for demanding West's return to the Los Angeles Lakers at the expense of his protégé, Mitch Kupchak.
Maybe there was a chance that West could've come back with the Lakers, but Bryant's self-absorbed and self-destructive crusade to crush Kupchak over Memorial Day weekend has made it far less likely.
Yes, West and Bryant have always shared the bond of cutthroat competitiveness, DNA that demands greatness of themselves and those surrounding them. For both, it has been a blessing and a curse, but it's an undeniable thread that runs through them.
Yet, here's the difference: West is legendarily loyal.
Once West's contract expires with the Grizzlies after the NBA draft, perhaps there had been a possibility that he could return to the Lakers as a consultant. Nothing has been discussed with owner Jerry Buss, the source said, and West issued a statement on Monday night insisting that he would never, ever do anything that would undermine Kupchak.
"Kobe has to turn on everyone at some point, cut people and ties in almost every relationship in his life," a former Bryant associate said Monday. "He turns on people because he believes he's not getting what he deserves. He has a one-track mind that thinks the world revolves around him and doesn't take a second to consider the costs, or what's the best way to handle something.
"This is the same stuff he did with (Shaquille O'Neal). He would leak the story, instigate it and then not understand why it never worked. Shaq is still more beloved than Kobe, and he will always be in L.A. People have seen this all before with Kobe. This never turns out right for him."
Bryant has stayed true to character in this embarrassing episode, going back and forth on his demands over the weekend. First, he ripped Kupchak, insisting that he had been, more or less, incompetent on the job. Then he told ESPN the Magazine that, unless West was brought back to run the Lakers, he wanted a trade. Once that got out, Bryant must have understood he had far overplayed his hand, done devastating damage to the mythical rehabilitation of his image.
He knew he had gone too far. He should've apologized and acknowledged he was out of line talking this way.
Only, he denied saying it, despite the fact that the writer has been a long-time confidant. Typical Kobe, selling out someone else.
"I'm not demanding anything," Bryant told the Riverside Press-Enterprise just after he had spent the weekend demanding everything.
"I'm not trying to throw Mitch under the bus, or (Lakers VP) Jim (Buss) under the bus," he told the Orange County Register just after he just spent the weekend doing just that.
For now, Kupchak loses leverage with his peers while trying to work trades this summer. This isn't the first time Bryant has created this kind of chaos for the franchise. As one NBA executive said Monday: "That made it harder for Mitch to get fair market value for Shaq. Everybody knew that Kobe's conditions to re-sign made it impossible for Shaq to stay, and Mitch had to take the Miami offer, which was the best on the table. Kobe needs to look in the mirror on that one."
Here's something else, too. Kobe thinks everyone in the NBA wants to play with him, and it isn't true. He was complaining that the Lakers could've had his buddy, Carlos Boozer, a year ago, but the Jazz were never going to trade him for Lamar Odom. Yes, there are players who'll take a trade to the Lakers, but make no mistake: It isn’t because they're enamored with the idea of hanging with Kobe.
It isn't just that Kobe doesn't have friends in his own locker room, but elsewhere too. One associate remembers a party for Bryant's daughter several years ago, when he looked around and saw no one but people who worked for Kobe. "No friends, no teammates – just agents, a barber, P.R. people … Everyone there was on the payroll."
Maybe Kupchak hasn't done the best job in the world in these three years post-Shaq (the Caron Butler-Kwame Brown trade crushed the Lakers), but he made sure that private jet flew Kobe back and forth to his rape hearings in Colorado. He made sure the organization supported him unconditionally during that humiliating time for the franchise. His reward? Kobe opted out of his contract, threatened to leave for the Clippers and declared that he wanted a basketball career free of Shaq to indulge his own shooting and scoring desires.
"Now, Kobe would go to the public with his stuff on Shaq, and he would never win," the ex-associate said. "He'd instigate, like he did with Kupchak, and he always comes out looking the same way."
Of course, that's selfish and short-sighted. Bryant wanted to show the world who runs the Lakers again, and that's wonderful and all, except that he's made it harder for the Lakers to get better this summer. Three years ago, he chased out Shaq and Phil Jackson and was granted his wish for a franchise that was all about indulging him.
So sure, West drafted Bryant into the NBA, delivered him O'Neal at center and constructed a three-time champion. What's more, the game's greatest G.M. wisely got out of Los Angeles before Kobe crushed him under his thumb, before West could be a target for Bryant.
He's a smart man to stay away for good because he understands the inevitable here: Sooner or later, Kobe Bryant turns on everyone.
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Really, one of the best sports articles i've read in awhile, just brutal, sad, and true.
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jujubee
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Quote: It isn't just that Kobe doesn't have friends in his own locker room, but elsewhere too. One associate remembers a party for Bryant's daughter several years ago, when he looked around and saw no one but people who worked for Kobe. "No friends, no teammates – just agents, a barber, P.R. people … Everyone there was on the payroll."
 No matter how big an asshole Kobe is -- and I've never liked the guy -- that's still really sad.
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TonyMontana
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Shack wrote: I'm borrowing this statement from someone on a different board, but the lottery and offseason bounty is more exciting than the playoffs this year. Sad.
No way! This year's playoffs have been pretty damn good... the GS and Dallas series was one of the most exciting playoff series in a long time. Then you had the Spurs vs. Suns which had more drama than an entire season of Desperate Housewives. Then you've got a Cleveland and Detroit series which is shaping up to be one for the ages, with every game coming down to the last possession or two, and Lebron maturing right before our very eyes.
Heck, even Utah and GS had some drama and was a fun series to watch with the crazy fans on both sides. Also, Chicago and Detroit had a good story line with Big Ben going against his former team. Or how about the defending champs getting blown out 4-0 by the Baby Bulls?
Sure, there have been a few snoozfests with San Antonio vs. Utah leading the pack, and New Jersey and Toronto not far behind, but over all I'd have to say it's been a decent playoffs this year. People are just bitching because the casual fans favorite team didn't win... Phoenix, Golden State, the soon to be defeated Cavaliers, Bulls, etc... and the end result will be a typical Detroit vs. San Antonio finals. But you can't say the ride there wasn't fun.
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TonyMontana
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El Pollo Loco wrote: Really, one of the best sports articles i've read in awhile, just brutal, sad, and true.
Kobe sounds like a classic narcissist, and that would explain a lot of his behavior.
This is exactly why I would never want him on my favorite team... he'll destroy team chemistry and become a cancer on the team. It doesn't matter how good he is, it would end badly, and it wouldn't be worth the possibility of getting 1 or 2 trophies.
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Bryant again expressed his wish to be traded, and according to some sources, New York Knicks is the team he's only interested.
So, quit the bashing of this saint, humanitarian and bestest human being in the world!
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