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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 9:53 am Posts: 13403
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Im not sure if this will appeal to Yoshue's film taste. Hope I'm wrong.
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Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:16 pm |
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Dkmuto
Forum General
Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:00 am Posts: 6502
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My expectations were, indeed, high. I guess Snrub's and loyal's and the site's elation with the film might be to blame for that. But I feel like even without that, the trailer, which impressed me, and the glowing reviews would have rocketed my expectations regardless. And Snrub and loyal hate United 93, so I don't know what I was thinking to begin with. But anyway.
I was disappointed. But like I said, my problems with the film would have been the same even if the reception here had only been lukewarm. But let's not dwell on that.
The story is my main problem. The trailer told us that the film would be about Theo finding Kee and guiding her somewhere, and the film is just that. But nothing more. Much has been said about sci-fi as a genre and the viewer essentially not needing information regarding the futuristic world depicted (the how's and why's of what's going on), but I felt like I needed much more regarding the actual implications of the pregnancy. How exactly would this have changed the world? The film uses this question as a springboard, I suppose, for thematic exploration, but I found myself engaged by little of the vague present-day parallels and ambiguity. To me, on an intellectual level, it didn't really speak to anything higher than the collapse and destruction of society. The film's scope, in fact, seems to be a lot smaller than that.
I don't know.
You know, maybe I'm just not smart enough.
As for the direction, I can't complain. Cuaron sustains a tone like none other here, and I completely understand -- and even support -- a direction nomination here.
And wow, the cinematography. You know, films over the past few years, it seems, have received awards for making things pretty to look at, but the camera work here actually does something -- it moves. Like nothing I've ever seen before. The attack on the car is insane, and the battle sequence is, yes, outstanding. Has there been a better photographed war sequence?
But like I said, I just wasn't terribly engaged, neither intellectually nor emotionally. And it's a shame, because I thought I might.
B-
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Riggs
We had our time together
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:36 am Posts: 13299 Location: Vienna
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Dkmuto wrote: The story is my main problem. The trailer told us that the film would be about Theo finding Kee and guiding her somewhere, and the film is just that. But nothing more. Much has been said about sci-fi as a genre and the viewer essentially not needing information regarding the futuristic world depicted (the how's and why's of what's going on), but I felt like I needed much more regarding the actual implications of the pregnancy. How exactly would this have changed the world? The film uses this question as a springboard, I suppose, for thematic exploration, but I found myself engaged by little of the vague present-day parallels and ambiguity. To me, on an intellectual level, it didn't really speak to anything higher than the collapse and destruction of society. The film's scope, in fact, seems to be a lot smaller than that.
But like I said, I just wasn't terribly engaged, neither intellectually nor emotionally. And it's a shame, because I thought I might.
Totally agree with what you said above.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:03 am |
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MikeQ.
The French Dutch Boy
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:28 pm Posts: 10266 Location: Mordor, Middle Earth
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I saw this again in theatres. The "Pull my finger" scene still really gets to me. Makes me want to cry. I will never see that phrase the same way again.
Peace,
Mike.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:52 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
Extraordinary
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Dkmuto wrote: The story is my main problem. The trailer told us that the film would be about Theo finding Kee and guiding her somewhere, and the film is just that. But nothing more. Much has been said about sci-fi as a genre and the viewer essentially not needing information regarding the futuristic world depicted (the how's and why's of what's going on), but I felt like I needed much more regarding the actual implications of the pregnancy.
Same goes for magic -- some people like having the trick explained to them, while others enjoy just, you know, the magic...
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:15 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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I got my dad to see it and he loved it.
Go figure.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:11 pm |
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Anita Hussein Briem
Yes we can call dibs on the mountain guide
Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:47 pm Posts: 3290 Location: Houston
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I Am Jack's... wrote: My sister, brother in law, and nephew sat down and watched my screener last night.
They were very impressed by the film. My sister really wanted to figure out one of the long takes (the infamous blood splatter). I didn't want to pull back the curtain too much but I clued her in a bit about where the cut took place.
Where did it take place? I'm curious myself.
Also, do you know if any of the fugee-camp scenes were really filmed in Bexhill-on-Sea? The actual town looks very different to me.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:46 pm |
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kypade
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:53 pm Posts: 7908
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I read that cuaron had the blood digitally removed, frame by frame, because he thought it became overpowering or something, and that there were indeed no cuts to that scene.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:19 pm |
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
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This is the most fully realized depiction of a time and place I've ever seen on screen.
What Cuaron did here...there are no words. When the film history books are written, 2006 is going to be notable mostly as the year Alfonso Cuaron made Children of Men.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:47 pm |
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zennier
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Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:38 pm Posts: 10316 Location: berkeley
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I love your reviews! Come on, more yoshue!!
It's addictive!
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:49 pm |
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:48 pm Posts: 11019
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I hope this movie put V For Vendetta in perspective for you fools who bought into it. 
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:49 pm |
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MikeQ.
The French Dutch Boy
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:28 pm Posts: 10266 Location: Mordor, Middle Earth
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Wow. When Loyal, Snrub, Benny, bradley, andaroo and Yoshue ALL love a film, you know it has to be a great movie. I don't think I've ever seen such consensus.
Peace,
Mike.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:49 pm |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40399
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Watching this tonight, yes!
I'm actually a bit surprised at how long it took me to get around to this, at first I was thinking about honoring it by waiting for the DVD, but after all this hype and croaked and went for the torrent.
Without bragging too much, I was one of the film's earliest supporters... before the cult began.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:55 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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MikeQ. wrote: Wow. When Loyal, Snrub, Benny, bradley, andaroo and Yoshue ALL love a film, you know it has to be a great movie. I don't think I've ever seen such consensus.
Peace, Mike.
On the other hand, when Zingaling, Dkmuto, da torri, Libs (who admired, not LOVED), and a few others all think the film is great filmmaking but lacks the emotional punch, you know it's just good, not fantastic.

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Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:59 pm |
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zennier
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Joined: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:38 pm Posts: 10316 Location: berkeley
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The "scene" we all keep talking about. I'm with loyal - the scene isn't continuous and they cleaned off the blood around 3:54. Great editing, if so. The cinematography and direction rocks.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:03 pm |
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zingy
College Boy Z
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:40 pm Posts: 36662
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I Am Jack's... wrote: Zingaling wrote: MikeQ. wrote: Wow. When Loyal, Snrub, Benny, bradley, andaroo and Yoshue ALL love a film, you know it has to be a great movie. I don't think I've ever seen such consensus.
Peace, Mike. On the other hand, when Zingaling, Dkmuto, da torri, Libs (who admired, not LOVED), and a few others all think the film is great filmmaking but lacks the emotional punch, you know it's just good, not fantastic.  wait, is it great or good?
Great direction, good film.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:09 pm |
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Mister Ecks
New Server, Same X
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:07 pm Posts: 28301 Location: ... siiiigh...
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Zingaling wrote: MikeQ. wrote: Wow. When Loyal, Snrub, Benny, bradley, andaroo and Yoshue ALL love a film, you know it has to be a great movie. I don't think I've ever seen such consensus.
Peace, Mike. On the other hand, when Zingaling, Dkmuto, da torri, Libs (who admired, not LOVED), and a few others all think the film is great filmmaking but lacks the emotional punch, you know it's just good, not fantastic. 
Yeeahh... I'm happier to be in the first group than the second (I made a change in my head that includes my name in Mike's post, between andaroo and yoshue).
I feel more intelligent.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:13 pm |
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
Joined: Mon May 01, 2006 9:53 am Posts: 13403
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I wonder is this the best reviewed film in KJ history?
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:20 pm |
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Jmart
Superman: The Movie
Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:47 am Posts: 21230 Location: Massachusetts
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I Am Jack's... wrote: Jmart just gave it an A+.
Good times keep rolling.
[font=century gothic]Yep, I just got back from seeing it a couple of hours ago. Although it isn't my favorite film from '06, it's easily the most thought provoking and best made film from last year. Just like other people have said, the handheld scene towards the end of the film is just jawdroppingly good, but I also liked the scene with Owen in the woods right after Julianne Moore is unexpectedly gunned down.[/font]
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:15 pm |
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MovieDude
Where will you be?
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There's actually many scenes that are all one continuous take. Most of the opening scene, the birth, when they escape from Sid etc.
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Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:18 pm |
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zennier
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MovieDude wrote: There's actually many scenes that are all one continuous take. Most of the opening scene, the birth, when they escape from Sid etc.
Oh, yea. I think that this one is probably the most remarkable, if only because of the huge amount of synchronized action taking place.
It's awesome. 
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:22 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
Joined: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:30 am Posts: 40399
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I wasn't completley blown away, but then again with the massive "best movie everzz!" hype from this thread, I don't see how I could be.
It was very very good though. I'll have to sleep on this one. I'm thinking at least an A- at this point.
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:12 am |
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Johnny Dollar
The Lubitsch Touch
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Children of Men is so purely, aggressively cinematic. Thus, it should be seen in a cinema. This isn't rocket science. Some of you are robbing yourselves of something beautiful.
I can not think of a theater experience as harrowing as this one. My insides knotted up when they reached the farm and didn't uncoil until the title hit at the end. I felt like I needed oxygen at points.
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:31 am |
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Shack
Devil's Advocate
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I'm a small towner, and since I won't be going to the city anytime soon, I wouldn't be able to see this theatrically... otherwise I would! I'd never download a film I could see in the theatre by choice.
To be fair I'm not really a dystopia fan, so an A- from me is quite a victory. Clockwork Orange was one of the most disappointing watches I've seen anytime recently(C+), V for Vendetta was one of the worst movies I've ever seen(F).
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Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:44 am |
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A. G.
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zennier wrote: The "scene" we all keep talking about. I'm with loyal - the scene isn't continuous and they cleaned off the blood around 3:54. Great editing, if so. The cinematography and direction rocks.
<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/T61ufvuu5_Y" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed> Well crafted scene but looks very inspired by video games. With some movies you might think "I feel like I've seen this before," with this one I feel like I've played it before.
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