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bABA
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F1 needs winners like Button ... not button neccessarily. I was getting sick and tired of 2 or 3 race winners a year. The quantity needs to go up.
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:51 am |
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MadGez
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Yeah we definately need more winners outside of the big 3. Its great to see Button up there. Hopefully in 07 we'll see more.
Little Big Shot - perhaps 2007 can mimic 1997 the last great F1 year.
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:18 am |
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Gulli
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JV: F1 won't remember Schumacher.
http://www.planet-f1.com/News/Story_Pag ... 82,00.html
Quote: Jacques Villeneuve has taken a dig at Michael Schumacher, saying that Formula One won't remember the German once he's gone because he has no personality.
Schumacher, who holds the majority of F1's records including the most-ever number of World Championship titles, 7, could retire from the sport at the end of the season as his Ferrari contract expires then.
And should he opt to do that, JV says it won't be long before records or no records, F1 forgets who he is.
"I think the problem is that you don't ever see his true personality," Villeneuve told F1 Racing magazine.
"He's a racer - but a pure racer, nothing but a racer and, because of that, I think the day he hangs up his helmet people will just forget him.
"Senna, by contrast, will never be forgotten. Some of that is the James Dean factor, of course, because he was killed in action at a young age, but not all of it.
"I don't even think Michael will live on in people's memories as strong or as long as Prost has - certainly not as strong or as long as Mansell has. Those people attained a hero status that Michael never has and never will."
Villeneuve also believes what separates Schumacher from Senna is the fact that the Ferrari ace is willing to use "dirty tricks" to get what he wants during race weekends for example his .
"Michael simply isn't a great Champion because he's played too many dirty tricks and because he isn't a great human being," he added.
"Yes, Senna played dirty tricks too but he did it with more class, more integrity. When he took Prost out at Suzuka in 1990, he said he was going to do it before the race."
"So, unlike Michael, who ridiculously insisted he was innocent at Monaco this year, Senna said, 'Yes, I did it. But I told you before the race that I was going to do it.'"
Pretty sour grapes from Villeneuve. Althought I'd loved to have seen JV at his peak in the same car as Schumacher. It would have been explosive.
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Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:35 pm |
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MadGez
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Oh yeah - its a shame we never got to see anyone of talent in the same team as MS. As many records as MS has - he will always be tainted for never racing anyone of not in the same team and having everything focused on him only. However, its sad to see a Character like JV out of F1. His battle with MS in 97 was one of the great championship battles even though they never met on track till the final round and THAT incident.
But in the end - I think he is wrong. Michael will be remembered much more than Jaques is. Though I suspect the Villenueve name will live on for years to come.
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:40 am |
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bABA
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you know ... barrechello could have taken him. he had the will and the skill. sadly, the car was always designed according to Michael's specs, not barrichello. No driver racing for Ferrari has much of a chance against Michael as long as the car doesn't cater for him as well.
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:31 pm |
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MadGez
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Barrichello was decent - better than Irvine thats for sure. But I agree - the team is so focused on Michael that the 2nd driver is always fighting an uphill battle. Look at Massa however this year and when he keeps it together he is as fast or faster than Michael. Offcoure we have seen him beat MS on a different strategy this year and we've also seen him hold back so not to pass Michael after a pitstop. Michael is definately not the fastest out there anymore and what helps him is his experience and the way he galvanises the team around him.
Thats why sadly we wont see him and Kimi in the same team. Kimi wants to race in the same team but only with equal status. Michael will rather retire than face Kimi in the same team as Kimi definately has the speed advantage. If the Ferrari is as dominant as its expected to be next year - then it would be a travesty not to have a Michael/Kimi pairing there.
Expect an anouncement in the next 3 weeks as to who drives where at Ferrari, Mclaren and Renault.
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:36 pm |
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Gulli
Jordan Mugen-Honda
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Massa on Pole
http://www.planet-f1.com/News/Story_Pag ... 59,00.html
Alonso simply has to get by the Brazilian quickly or he is in deep trouble. The loss of the Renault mass damper is really hurting him. Ralf did pretty well in Quali, pity he's so hard to like thou. Easily the worse driver when it comes to public relations.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:17 pm |
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bABA
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bleh
massa's pole means nothing and the strategy in my opinion will be quite clear. Michael defends into the first corner, then massa is forced to let him pass and voluntarily lose half a second a lap so michael gets clear. text book strategy that.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:25 pm |
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Gulli
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I'd agree with that. Although Turkey proved to have a good few decent overtaking spots last year so Alonso will have plenty of oportunities to get by. And if Raikkonen get a decent start things could be very interesting.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:29 pm |
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bABA
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dont really mean to bastardize the thread by talking about issues i have with drivers as opposed to talking about the sport itself but I do have a hatred for Michael. By cnoditioning an entire team around him and some really bad sportsmanship, hes secured himself as the best driver of his era. sadly,doesn't matter who comes after him or exists even now, they can't be compared to michael because the bastard never gave anyone a chance.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:59 pm |
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Gulli
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Same thing could be said about Senna in his Lotus days. Althou yes his ways really haven't been a plus point on his notebook.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:04 pm |
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bABA
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Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Same thing could be said about Senna in his Lotus days. Althou yes his ways really haven't been a plus point on his notebook.
Senna still survived in a time when there was much competition from other teams, the game was less about strategy and more about the driver. lots of over taking and some healthy competition
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:07 pm |
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Gulli
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. wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Same thing could be said about Senna in his Lotus days. Althou yes his ways really haven't been a plus point on his notebook. Senna still survived in a time when there was much competition from other teams, the game was less about strategy and more about the driver. lots of over taking and some healthy competition
You're making me remember the insanity of the turbo era. It was raw brilliant stuff
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:15 pm |
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bABA
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Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Same thing could be said about Senna in his Lotus days. Althou yes his ways really haven't been a plus point on his notebook. Senna still survived in a time when there was much competition from other teams, the game was less about strategy and more about the driver. lots of over taking and some healthy competition You're making me remember the insanity of the turbo era. It was raw brilliant stuff
wasn't turbo around only in the 70s? hmm .... i guess i was wrong.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:32 pm |
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Gulli
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. wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Same thing could be said about Senna in his Lotus days. Althou yes his ways really haven't been a plus point on his notebook. Senna still survived in a time when there was much competition from other teams, the game was less about strategy and more about the driver. lots of over taking and some healthy competition You're making me remember the insanity of the turbo era. It was raw brilliant stuff wasn't turbo around only in the 70s? hmm .... i guess i was wrong.
From 77 to 88
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:57 pm |
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bABA
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Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: Same thing could be said about Senna in his Lotus days. Althou yes his ways really haven't been a plus point on his notebook. Senna still survived in a time when there was much competition from other teams, the game was less about strategy and more about the driver. lots of over taking and some healthy competition You're making me remember the insanity of the turbo era. It was raw brilliant stuff wasn't turbo around only in the 70s? hmm .... i guess i was wrong. From 77 to 88
i remember the 6 wheeled F1 cars
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:04 pm |
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Gulli
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. wrote: i remember the 6 wheeled F1 cars
Theose tyrells were destinctive alright. Williams had an experimental 6 wheeler as well with 4 wheels at the rear but the FIA banned it before it could race. i'd love to see a pic of it.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:14 pm |
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bABA
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Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: i remember the 6 wheeled F1 cars
Theose tyrells were destinctive alright. Williams had an experimental 6 wheeler as well with 4 wheels at the front but the FIA banned it before it could race. i'd love to see a pic of it.
i loved Tyrell till the day they retired from F1. had a soft spot for mark Blundell
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:33 pm |
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Gulli
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. wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: i remember the 6 wheeled F1 cars
Theose tyrells were destinctive alright. Williams had an experimental 6 wheeler as well with 4 wheels at the front but the FIA banned it before it could race. i'd love to see a pic of it. i loved Tyrell till the day they retired from F1. had a soft spot for mark Blundell
Well you don't have to endure him on the F1 coverage over here. He's not made for TV.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:34 pm |
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MadGez
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I think its clear Massa will let Michael through.
Dont forget that Ralf will be starting from 15th as he gets a 10 spot penalty for an engine change.
Regarding Michael Schumacher - Im a bit similar to Baba here. I cant help but think that he has created a myth of greatness. Sure he was fantastic in the late 90s taking championships down to the wire - but his big championchip wins this decade have been in dominant cars (2002,2004) or when the competition had reliability problems (00,01,03). In 03, he certainly wasnt the best driver. And he looked like nothing special last year when he didnt have the car. Also this year he has been all over the place. A great driver - yes. A "God" like alot fo fans and the media like to paint him - no. The fact that he has never allowed a strong teammate will always dirty his image IMO.
Latest reports are saying he has offered to drive for Ferrari next year only if Massa is his teammate and not Kimi. I find this rather sad.
The Senna/Prost/Mansell/Piquet/Rosberg/Lauda etc era was a great one want it. Less corporate, less silly rules from the FIA and much better racing.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:44 pm |
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bABA
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Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: i remember the 6 wheeled F1 cars
Theose tyrells were destinctive alright. Williams had an experimental 6 wheeler as well with 4 wheels at the front but the FIA banned it before it could race. i'd love to see a pic of it. i loved Tyrell till the day they retired from F1. had a soft spot for mark Blundell Well you don't have to endure him on the F1 coverage over here. He's not made for TV.
are you efering to blundell or brundle?
i like brundle and we get him here too.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:47 pm |
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Gulli
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. wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: Gullimont-Kyro wrote: . wrote: i remember the 6 wheeled F1 cars
Theose tyrells were destinctive alright. Williams had an experimental 6 wheeler as well with 4 wheels at the front but the FIA banned it before it could race. i'd love to see a pic of it. i loved Tyrell till the day they retired from F1. had a soft spot for mark Blundell Well you don't have to endure him on the F1 coverage over here. He's not made for TV. are you efering to blundell or brundle? i like brundle and we get him here too.
Brundle = Good
Blundell = Bad
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:52 pm |
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MadGez
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Brundle is fantastic. Much better than Blundell and James Allan put together.
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:40 am |
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bABA
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not smart.
i missed the first half of the race but Schumi should know better. If he holds his position into turn 1, pass teammate right away.
Congrats to massa. He won that race without any help whatsoever.
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:47 am |
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Gulli
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Great race with plenty of incident. The safety car was the pivotal moment without it Schumacher would have won easy but Alonso showed once again that he can handle the pressure. I'm amazed Schumi didn't go for a wild stab on the last lap thou.
And once again we see a Williams retirement while in a good position. Their reliability is horrendous.
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Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:02 am |
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