Pele and Maradona

Whenever it gets crucial Beckham is sent-off with a red card. He's always folding under pressure

that only happened once, but he does lose his cool sometimes, like when he missed 3 penaltys in 3 matches.

well, he also missed crucial penalty shots or wasn't seen in the most important games

enough

I just remember the brilliant days of Law, Best, and Charleton on Man U in the 60s. It didn't last long, only a couple years, but the world has never seen such an amazing combination. The truly made Manchester the best club of all time, and Law and Charleton helped make England a fantasy team on its way to 66 (imagine what could have been done if Best hadn't been from Ireland!)

Anyway, sad story, really, when Best threw it all down the pooper. . .

By the way, for whoever was talking about Irish bias, George Best is a far better choice. Absolute genius on the ball.

I remember this old soccer fan telling me about Pele > he said Pele was just a genius with the ball and around the goal.

Putting him in today's terms. Maybe

Pele = Wayne Gretzsy = Michael Jordan

Any comments from any Pele fans or those lucky enough to see him play in his prime???

with a manchester united bias..(as well as an england one)... i'm gonna say george best is in my top list. (its a shame he never got to play in world cups, coz his team- N. Ireland didn't get it in- as was mentioned above)

i think anyone who has the skills aswell as the game awareness is good. I guess thats why i like wayne rooney, coz he's a good all round player, and he doesn't ever give up.

maradonna isn't on my list, simply coz i don't really like him. [/bias] he has played great some times, but some stuff has let him down.

when i've seen clips of pele (at his best) i've not seen him stand out against some of the world's best today, but like i mentioned above maybe it was the fact that he was consistent and made chances and stuff as well as the skills and ability to score.

dennis bergkamp was pretty good in his day.

ronaldhinio is great for his club, but hasn't impressed too much yet in this world cup- as is often the case with players... see henry - he plays way worse for france than arsenal.

you know, goalies don't get enough credit- i'm gonna say Kahn, Schmeichel and van de saar deserve some goalie credit!

cruyff
zidane
maradona
kaka

Finally someone mentions Best.

Zidane, though not one of the best ever, seems to be one of the most intelligent players ever. The guy just seems to see the game from a different perspective than other players.

Stevie G

it looks like eagle's decisions are based pretty much on the international sporting arenas instead of their participation in the leagues as well.

i always loved ronaldo. i still love ronaldo.

He's a fat git though.

indeed he is. yet still he performs.

maradona i guess will be my bet.

I think Roger Milla was fantastic but maybe it's because Cameroon (with Argentina) is my favourite team. And I like Pele and all, but Garrincha was great too.

Maradonna. I watched the 1986 final match recently on a video. HOLY SHIT!!! WHAT THE HELL was the first goal.

He scored one the worst goal and best goals of all time in that game.

Maradonaa for best personality and most interesting and entertaining.

Pele for best skill level.

If you ever see it, watch the 1986 world cup match between England and Argentina!

THE HAND OF GOD GOAL (MOST FAMOUS GOAL EVER IMO)



THE GOAL OF THE CENTURY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal_of_the_Century


http://avantic.fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/g ... Final.html (video)

Pele and Ronaldinho Gaucho - Brasil
Figo and Eusebio - Portugal
Maradona - Argentina

Of recent years - Zidane

No way can Ronaldhino be up there. In my opinion is so over rated and we saw that in the World cup...he did shit. Ronaldhino might be the best player in the game right now (I don't think so), but no way in hell be mentioned in all- time categories yet...People like Zidane and Ronaldo have done much more for the game and are better then Ronaldhino at their primes.

1. Maradone
2. Pele
3. Beckenbaur
4. Di Stefano
5. Cruyff
6. Maldini
7. Platini
8. Baggio
9. Best
10. Zidane

No, no, wait, there's something wrong here. A 15-year old from Texas, who most likely doesn't watch the Spanish league on a regular basis (probably not even the Champions League), who just experienced his first or - at best - second World Cup and who, additionally, isn't able to spell most of the players' names he's listed, isn't exactly in the position to judge this particular player. I also wonder how you can judge Zidane's and Ronaldo's efforts in their primes, which was in the mid-late 90s, considering you were a small kid back then. Short video snippets from the internet don't count. Furthermore, your list is clearly compiled from what you've read on the internet and not based on your own viewing experience and, thus, has no serious fundament.

OWNED

Ouch.

Am I not allowed an opinion? Its my 3rd world cup actually been watching since 1998. My father played soccer in high school and brushes it off on me. I also go overseas every year for a month to two months where the only sport in existence over there is soccer, so im pretty sure I have more knowledge of the sport then you give me credit for. I also have la liga on my satelitte and I might be young and shit like you said but its not that hard to download full matches. Your right I probably have not witnessed much soccer compared to you guys due to my age but is that my fault? From what I've seen thats my list. Would you like my list to be all current players? Put C Ronaldo or Torres or Robinho up there? Just because its alot easier for me to watch them? Go look for torrents and you can find tons of matches for every soccer player. Most people here probably have not seen Pele play, but they say hes the best ever, but you attack me? Because I compiled a list of what I think and have seen, not from what I have read on internet. Ronaldhino did great things at Barcelona played amazing...Theres a reason he got player of the year, and Barcelona won La Liga and Champions League, but in this world cup I think he played horrible and is over rated? Whats wrong with thinking that? Ronaldino played very well in the 2002 world cup and was put on the all star team, but I really don't think at the age of 26, you can say hes one of the best ever. But just for you Neo Wolf, I'll take out yashin cause I think hes the oldest of the group and I'm not allowed to think hes one of the best ever and put someone else...how about..Baggio? Farely recent, last world cup in 1998.

Of course you are, even if it's a stupid and unfounded one. But am I, on the other hand, not allowed to state my opinion on your statements? Seems a bit like a double standard to me.



Wow. I'm sure you were quite a soccer expert at the age of 7.



That's even better. A 7-year old, whose father once played soccer in high school is almost bound to become an expert soccer analyst once he reaches puberty. Hey, that reminds me, I played soccer back in school. My son will totally become a soccer expert as well. A soccer philosopher even. By the age of 5.



Yes, a tad more. But still not enough. Which shows in your above statement.



That might be true, however, that doesn't change the fact that your statements don't make much sense. Infact, having that kind of "background knowledge" and still writing what you wrote worsens the whole situation and is kind of sad.



No, and I never said it's particularly your fault either. I guess that's just bad luck. Or fate if you will.



So, how many Beckenbauer or Di Stefano games have you seen? I'm sure the main reason for them being on your list is due to their reputation. Aside from that, I agree that those a widely considered alltime greats and there's no problem with listing them, however, that obviously wasn't my main point of criticism anyway.



No, that would be even more non-sensical and I never suggested anything close to this. Seems like you kind of.. missed the point.



So, first you state that you've seen lots of matches from every player - including Pelé, I guess - and that it's extremely easy for everyone to do so. Right afterwards you state, or at least assume, that most people (I take it you're one of them as well, since you range yourself on the same "level" and use this argument to "defend" your point) haven't ever seen him play. That's a bit contradicting, to say the least. Furthermore, I didn't attack you for listing Pelé. Please read my post again, if that's really what you think.



You have to say this, of course, to divert my suspicion from yourself. However, I'm afraid, I still have to highly doubt this due to the aforementioned reasons.



Hehe, well. Your whole opinion is based on this one world cup, everything else doesn't count. That was exactly my point. Thanks for confirming/proving it.



Alot. One world cup doesn't make or break a career, let alone an "alltime great" career. Apparently, this world cup wasn't Ronaldinho's, as many thought beforehand. However, ignoring all of his other achievements (World Cup 2002, Spanish league, Champions League, player of the year 2 times and whatnot) and reducing his whole career to this one tournament is plain wrong. There's alot that needs to be taken into account. His whole team played sub-par, Ronaldinho himself was put on a different, much more defensive position by Parreira, as opposed to what he usually plays, yet, along with Zé Roberto, he was probably the best player of the team, initializing most of the goals they scored and probably having the most ball contacts of all the players in his team. Despite his unusual position and his "sub-par" performances, he had almost 200 contacts after the first two games in the group stages, which made him one of the top five players of the tournament already in that respect. I think playing "bad" and still being one of the most important/valuable players of all teams in a world cup says alot about the capabilities of a certain player. I could go more in-depth, but I don't think that's necessary at this point.



Doesn't make much sense and again proves that you don't really know what you're talking about and instead desperately search for "arguments" that support your odd view.
Maradona, who's on your list, was called one of the alltime greats in 1986, at the age of 25. Ronaldo reached his peak and was widely regarded as the "best player since Pelé" when he was about 20. Zidane, another player on your list, had his break-through in 1998, at the age of.. 26. In Maradona's case, he never reached this particular stand-out shape ever again afterwards. His career declined, at leastin terms of international/world cup performances. In 1990 he was already a shadow of his former self. Yet people call him one of the alltime greats for his achievements before the age of 26. Why's Ronaldinho too young then? Different players reach their peak at different ages.



Uh oh.



Once again, congratulations on missing the point.