I'll grade it as i see it. Don't mistaken me for BKB.

I think there definitely will be folks who absolutely embrace it no questions asked just
like Jeffery Wells and while they haven't cropped up yet those who just won't buy
the all CGI Superman & CGI plane sequence.

Personally I thought the FX were better when Superman interacts with real world
people and objects which is almost never done well its the jarring effect of the
ALL CGI scenes that is a bit much (it's moreso an issue than with SPIDER-MAN
because he's not entirely covered by costume)

I can't imagine this not doing well enough to generate a sequel, unless WB's
threshold for a sequel is 250+ domestic.

If it makes more than 150, there will be a sequel. And at this point, I'm sure that 150 is attainable. So yes, there will be a sequel.

You think so? With the huge budget, 150 mil would represent a big loss for the WB, a disappointment. Maybe they'd still go through with it, but I wouldn't be too assured.

But if it does 150 and then makes a nice bit on DVD, and say it makes another 200 international,. then it will turn a bit of profit for them. If the WOM is BB positivve, then it would be in their best interest to make another one at half the cost.

ive said it forever...merchandise/toy sales/ dvd sales will make w.b. turn a profit. the box office is all extra dough. for a sequel the movie needs to be well recieved. they would have to think they would gross more with a sequel like they do with batman.

I doubt that they want to waste that 100 million dollars spent to try and get Superman through preproduction. Without a sequel its basically money lost going to post production hell through directors like Burton, JJ Abrahams and McG. Even if SR does below 200 million in the US, WB wont let all that money invested go to waste and will still amke a sequel

dvd sales + toy sales + merchandise = well over the 250 million theyve invested in this.

box office all profit.

Not really up to just WB. They will need to get Legendary Pictures to back it 50% as any sequel (assuming they don't back to back shoot 2) is still going to cost 200+ at least.

Considering they are splitting not only with exhibitors but with LP, 200+ domestic is a more realistic minimum threshold.

Unless something goes horribly wrong, quality wise I don't see it coming below that.

Superman will do north of 250 million anyways, so i dont think itll mater all that much. the deal with legendary says that legendary and w.b. split the first 200 million and then all other profit goers to w.b.


w.b. has no money troubles...theyve made 1 billion or more domestically each the last 5 years.

I also heard that for this movie supposedly being a direct sequel to SUPERMAN II and disregarding the other 2 movie's, that there wasn't 1 mention of the Villains SUPERMAN fought in the 2nd movie as though it never existed.. Is this true because if so, this would have to be the biggest fuc*up continuity wise I've ever heard of??? You can't disregard the plot of SUPERMAN II Singer or the Villains..

You know?? Now I know what it must've been like when I hyped the holy hell out of AVP and drove everyone crazy and pissed people off.. My apologies now for anyone I did piss off over too much hyperbole for a movie that really will end up disappointing..

whens the last time there was a superhero movie where the guy was an actual hero? well eyah spidey n batman were, but singer has options to actiually have the action scene sbe superman SAVING PEOPLE instead of just fighting. yeah batman saved the city n spidey saved all those kids in the car. but could batman or spiderman stop an earthquake? or a crashing plane? NOPE. The freshness factor superman has over any real superhero movie is the action is him actually saving people. stopping sky scrappers from falling down. people have become so accustomed to the superhero beats up the badguy thus stoping his plan and saving the world. here, there is no beat up the bad guy to do. the onyl thing superman can do is literally save the world. he cant prevent the events from happening, he has to actual go out and fix the problem. say the nova shit had actually happened in spidey 2. could spiderman have done thing to stop the nova itself? nope. say batman had to just stop the gas itself-well yeah hes batman he probably could-but he didnt in the movie.

plus it makes the sequel easier to market thus increasing the chance the sequels bigger then the original.

that aside, general zod-a physical villain for superman-was in the first drafts until jude law backed out.

And yeah if i had to pick i'd have had ty-zor be in this movie. he was a total badass.

Superman IV: The Quest for Peace. How'd that do?

They showed a commercial for this movie during SEINFELD, and that scene where he lands after flying looks like total ass.. Instead of landing gracefully, he lands with a sudden THUD with the earth under his feet shaking.. Whatever..

Huh? isn't Superman 2 already on the cards

Surely this one will do enough in the US to cover its production budget, and add on the overseas grosses and it should recover all its marketing and distribution costs, and on top of that money from licenses/toys/merchandise/dvd like people have been saying.

Plus, Time Warners can't do without a monster franchise like this, LOTR is done and gone, Harry Potter only has 3 movies to go.......the only thing in the Warners portfolio which can produce solid grosses is Batman (their #1 franchise of the '90s)...

AVP is somewhat forgivable but I havent forgiven you yet for shoving White Noise down our throats

WHITE NOISE Ruled Bitch.. At this rate, you'll never forgive me now..

The past history of the first two SUPERMAN films is cherry picked for this. Yes, Zod, The Phantom Zone, etc are not discussed
though for example Luthor knows where the Fortress of Solitude is.

It is not a direct sequel to them. Basically I've heard that they wanted to keep Zod waiting in the wings to use for the sequel when it quickly became apparent they couldn't use him in this one.

As much as it seems crazy to write on a $250-300 million budget film, they couldn't afford two villians on this one. They did look into Zod at least briefly but that fell apart early on.

Lex Luthor is an easy to cast affordable, high-profile villian that investors will get behind especially when your leads is an unknown and the girl from Blue Crush. You say who is Superman's arch nemesis? Even people who aren't fans of SUPERMAN know Lex Luthor. You ask them who are other Superman villians and maybe if you're lucky they'll be able to name Zod. DARKSEID, METALLO, DOOMSDAY, BRANIAC are great villians don't get me wrong, but are expensive characters that you wouldn't be able to show money shots of until FX were closer to release date.

Definitely though, I love your idea for a SUPERMAN RETURNS sequel. If they stick to just Luthor again I'm going to cry.

It could definitely be cool, but already in this film it takes awhile before you get emotionally attached and invested in
the characters again. There's also something of establishing a base "reality" before you tear it asunder especially in
something as fantastic a superhero movie.

So now that Metropolis and the relationships are restablished you can pull the rug again in the future. You can know
exactly what is and can be lost.

batman begins 2-probably like matrix reloaded, really.
superman 2-market it like the first one. get it everywehre.

The problem with it's sequel being a action-packed pic, with say Brainiac, is that's the fact that Singer has not created that kind of superhero movie. He has gone the emotional route, the romance and softie Superman. Lex is secondary in this film, according to Wells. Unless they switch directors, an action packed film with someone like Brainiac is not going to happen. And with the strong reviews so far, I doubt Singer won't be their guy. If they make a sequel to this film, it'll in big part be a continuation of the Lois and child storyline in this movie, which probably won't be completley wrapped up in the first. Singer obviously loves what he's done here so much, that if anything he'll just take the emotional angle even farther.

But yeah, I agree that a badass villian movie would be much more appealing than this. Not too over the top, but something along the lines of Sam Raimi's Spiderman style. The hero's life is still involved, but there's also lots of action, awesome villians, exciting plots, and so on. Fuck, I would of preferred Brett Ratner! At the time is seemed like X-Men was the getting the bad end of the shaft, heh, but now it's the other way around IMO. Really, Brat Ratner directing a Braniac vs Superman war? Now that I would of been pumped for. Singer also wouldn't be so bad also if he just used what he did in the X-Men films, instead of this emotional stuff. Maybe I'm getting a bit too ahead of myself here, the movie could still be great beyond my wildest dreams, and Singer could be the perfect choice. But still, somebody else who had his eyes on making the film appealing(ok, not Ratner) would have me much more excited for this.

If they did switch directors though, possibly if this film doesn't do so hot, I think there'd be some nice choices. Aside from Brainiac, I think Doomsday is a character that can be done in the future. Maybe not until about the 3rd film or so(if this series goes that far), but he's well known enough thanks to the death thing that I think it could be popular. Maybe he could be set up at the end of the second, and released in the 3rd? But again, the second will be Singer's, so that would be a little hard.

By the way, I take what I said about Ratner back . He wouldn't be a bad choice, but really to restart the series, you need quality. I'll brainstorm for a while, there's probably a bunch of directors out there who could've done a more appealing job than singer. Alfonso Cuarono, for example.

well, say superman gets the batman begins treatment in terms of what people think of it. then acion is better.

in batman most peoples favorite parts where the parts including batman, so most peoples fav. scenes in superman will probably be the ones with superman, so why would adding omre of what everybody wanted be a bad hting?