This thread gives me headaches.

im just saying with t3 it was more thatr he got lucky, not that he was more expireinced

While I agree with you that my prediction skills are not on teh same level as Xyian and some of the greats, you cannot say that because I predicted 250, (if i did, do youhaev proof?) for the Hulk, that it makes me only lucky when i predicted other films correctly. Everyone makes bad calls. Everyone.

i was at bom looking up hulk prediction threads to see what people thought itd make and i saw you.

m not veen gonna bother looking for the post. someone said "reminds me of ts" where the fans all were predicting 200 million. baumer responded with something like yea that was one of my better calls i was right then n im right now

m not veen gonna bother looking for the post. someone said "reminds me of ts" where the fans all were predicting 200 million. baumer responded with something like yea that was one of my better calls i was right then n im right now

SUPERMAN isnt on tv. clark kent is. and to a ton of kids that is a huge difference.

bottom line: superman is up there with spiderman and star wars as the only 3 big budget light cgi fests. release em in summer, and their usually a lock for 250 million.

You guys CANNOT be serious?

anybody who is predictiing UNDER 200 million for this is out fo their mind.

Period.

This film is costing 250 MILLLOIN DOLLARS.

Please.hwo in the whole fucking world. can that. possibly.translate. to. a. boring. movie.

also please. these "BATMAN BEGINS got 200, so supes cant beat it" arguments are bullshit.

batman begins was restarting a franchise that had once been HUGE. But only 8 years. in short, Batman was viwed as COOL in 1989-1997. after 1997 it totally stopped. people forgot about him. it takes alotmore then 8 years for a character to become cool again. and incase you didnt notice ,thats true. batman had virtually no public hype heading into its opening weeked cause anybody under the age of 20 had seen a batfilm and remembered them. they could remember them intheaters. and their toys. in short batmman wasa a figure of their childhood that was now old. itd be like trying to reintroduce beanie babies again today. itd just be very hard,

its like this. imagine have spiderman in 2002. now imagine sony waiting till 2010 just to totally redo it.

thats the situation batman had. except when he left everybody hated him.

superman is DIFFERENT. Unless you were borin in 1982- or before, you wont remember seeing a superman film in theaters. so just in terms ofthat the arguments done. superman hasnt been on the big screen in 19 years. baman was 8. so that argument is pointless. a superman movie will be much more fresh then a batman ever was because its been so long since one.

now in terms of a film-dont worry. actor/crew have all said-when compared to the donner movies-this film is much morefun and light. the teaser might seem very serious but that isnt how the film will be. this film-incase you couldnt tell from the plot-will be very similar to BATMAN in terms of plot. itll be about that good. this will just be a lot of fun.

so please. no bat comparisons. they dont work.

back to the argument.....zingaling, you said you want a reason for 400 million...give us a reason for under 200 million. supermans appeals to every possible genre but unlike fantasic four this is getting respect, will be a much better film, a waaaay bigger character name.

also look at it like this. in 05 everybody seemed to be waiting all may to seestar wars. now tell me what movie in june appeals to adults? like star wars was in may, people will be waiting for superman to come cause theyll be so much liottle kiddie crap.

Oh and for the record, bryan singer personally said, ayt princeton, that the films second teaser is ocming very soon. the point of the harrypotter one was just to tell theworld this films coming.


as of right now-superman is way more mainstream then batman. batman doesnt appeal to kids or women or people looking for comedy, while those are 3 of superman biggest audiences, while still having the action/drama/suspense to fall back on.

plus it 250 million. do you really think that there is even the SLIGHTEST CHANCE that w.b. wont market this movie? or an even slighter chance that they wont show off the effects in the trailers? please. this film has more tie ins fantastic four as is. it HAS to be marketed if w.b. doesnt weanna be sued.

personally, i think we should pay for close attention to goblet of fires numbers as i thinktheyll be similar...

this film is a legit lock for 200 million with 250 million at probably 85%

so to sum up....you think batman will beat this?what?

superman returns-which is being promised as the marketing event of next year and predicted by most as next years biggest offering(just check its numbers at hollywoodstock exchange if you dontbelieve me)- will outgross batman begins in 10 days or less.

150 million 5 day. 175 first weekend with 40 minmum second week.

http://buzz.yahoo.com/movies/

WAIT A MINUTE.

WAIT A MINUTE.

Is...wait...no...is that Superman Returns and Superman on the 2 and 3 spot on yahoo buzz?(SR is actually tied with X-men)

A combined score of 83. Wait...I thought SR had no buzz.

This is just impossible.

What are you talking about? You guys have been saying, and using yahoo buzz as an example, how SR buzz isn't that big. You even pointed out how X-men buzz was so much higher than it. Well, I do know that a month before its opening, X3 didn't have a combine score over 80 that's for sure.

Don't try to bullshit me and use something like, "well...its not as big as SW or SM". No one is even arguing that at all(well, I'm not at least). Hell, I don't think I will even try to argue that its buzz come release date will be higher than X3.

I didn't even say you guys said this had no buzz. My point was to show that your claims that this is has "little" buzz is inaccurate.

I'm not even saying it is at SM or SW level. So don't go trying to bunch me and excel together.

Oh, and since excel likes to put so much emphasis in the buzz charts right now, here's a look at Yahoo's buzz chart.

http://buzz.yahoo.com/movies/

X3 and Spider-Man 3 are ahead of Superman Returns? Incredible! Even Batman Begins is ahead of Superman Returns as well! excel, I think Superman is in trouble.I also saw he parts you highlighted and Zing still has a point because he wasnt comparing score but number of days on the chart. X-3 still owns SR on that department but I never really use yahoo buzz for indication because its crap and inflates fantasy movies margin too much

(You see how ridiculous your arguement can get?)

Those legs...well, like I said with ChipMunky. I guess its possible it gets a 5-day multiplier if its that big over 5-days, espically considring how frontloaded openings have been this year. But...I just don't really see anything below 2.15 even with medicore WOM.

I'm not certain about the gross, but the one thing I'm certain about whatever the opening weekend is the legs.

Unless it had WOM like Batman Begins.

Yeah right!