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MovieDude
Where will you be?
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:50 am Posts: 11675
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Not that these things will be easy, but with the entire country continuing to shift strongly to the right (I liked James Carville's assertion that the presidential race in 2012 will be equivalent to McCain running against Palin) there really needs to be a strong pushback.
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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Obama has 0% chance of losing next year. Unless Jesus himself runs against him.
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Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:30 pm |
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Argos
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Joined: Sat May 13, 2006 2:20 pm Posts: 7952 Location: Wherever he went, including here, it was against his better judgment.
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He might. I will ask him.
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Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:44 pm |
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nghtvsn
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Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:13 pm Posts: 11016 Location: Warren Theatre Oklahoma
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Chippy wrote: Obama has 0% chance of losing next year. Unless Jesus himself runs against him. You are clearly not living in reality if you think that. But whatever, you are happy with high gas prices, high food prices, high unemployment, continued wars and possibly future increased taxes. You stick with "yes we can."
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:42 am |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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lol
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:22 pm |
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Argos
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nghtvsn's world ends on his porch.
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:35 pm |
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MovieDude
Where will you be?
Joined: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:50 am Posts: 11675
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Argos wrote: nghtvsn's world ends on his porch. Which is also Obama's fault.
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:57 pm |
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Chippy
KJ's Leading Pundit
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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I bought milk for .79$ yesterday. Obama is my hero!
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:47 pm |
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Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Chippy wrote: I bought milk for .79$ yesterday. Obama is my hero! I thought WIC was a better deal for the recipient than that.
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:31 pm |
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Chippy
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Aww! What an insult!
You're adorable!
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:35 pm |
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Caius
A very honest-hearted fellow
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Chippy wrote: Aww! What an insult!
You're adorable! I just purchased a gallon for $3.19. So unless you purchased a lower volume of milk, I stand by my statement. I have saw it at least $2.50/g for the last 3 years and I live in a dairy state and near dairies.
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:58 pm |
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Chippy
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:45 pm Posts: 63026 Location: Tonight... YOU!
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I purchased a half gallon.
Also, Gatorade was on sale for .49$
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:51 pm |
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Argos
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Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:32 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:13 pm Posts: 15197 Location: Planet Xatar
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Interesting Op-Ed piece by Paul Krugman in the NYTimes today: Republicans Against ScienceQuote: Jon Huntsman Jr., a former Utah governor and ambassador to China, isn’t a serious contender for the Republican presidential nomination. And that’s too bad, because Mr. Hunstman has been willing to say the unsayable about the G.O.P. — namely, that it is becoming the “anti-science party.” This is an enormously important development. And it should terrify us.
To see what Mr. Huntsman means, consider recent statements by the two men who actually are serious contenders for the G.O.P. nomination: Rick Perry and Mitt Romney.
Mr. Perry, the governor of Texas, recently made headlines by dismissing evolution as “just a theory,” one that has “got some gaps in it” — an observation that will come as news to the vast majority of biologists. But what really got peoples’ attention was what he said about climate change: “I think there are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects. And I think we are seeing almost weekly, or even daily, scientists are coming forward and questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change.”
That’s a remarkable statement — or maybe the right adjective is “vile.”
The second part of Mr. Perry’s statement is, as it happens, just false: the scientific consensus about man-made global warming — which includes 97 percent to 98 percent of researchers in the field, according to the National Academy of Sciences — is getting stronger, not weaker, as the evidence for climate change just keeps mounting.
In fact, if you follow climate science at all you know that the main development over the past few years has been growing concern that projections of future climate are underestimating the likely amount of warming. Warnings that we may face civilization-threatening temperature change by the end of the century, once considered outlandish, are now coming out of mainstream research groups.
But never mind that, Mr. Perry suggests; those scientists are just in it for the money, “manipulating data” to create a fake threat. In his book “Fed Up,” he dismissed climate science as a “contrived phony mess that is falling apart.”
I could point out that Mr. Perry is buying into a truly crazy conspiracy theory, which asserts that thousands of scientists all around the world are on the take, with not one willing to break the code of silence. I could also point out that multiple investigations into charges of intellectual malpractice on the part of climate scientists have ended up exonerating the accused researchers of all accusations. But never mind: Mr. Perry and those who think like him know what they want to believe, and their response to anyone who contradicts them is to start a witch hunt.
So how has Mr. Romney, the other leading contender for the G.O.P. nomination, responded to Mr. Perry’s challenge? In trademark fashion: By running away. In the past, Mr. Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, has strongly endorsed the notion that man-made climate change is a real concern. But, last week, he softened that to a statement that he thinks the world is getting hotter, but “I don’t know that” and “I don’t know if it’s mostly caused by humans.” Moral courage!
Of course, we know what’s motivating Mr. Romney’s sudden lack of conviction. According to Public Policy Polling, only 21 percent of Republican voters in Iowa believe in global warming (and only 35 percent believe in evolution). Within the G.O.P., willful ignorance has become a litmus test for candidates, one that Mr. Romney is determined to pass at all costs.
So it’s now highly likely that the presidential candidate of one of our two major political parties will either be a man who believes what he wants to believe, even in the teeth of scientific evidence, or a man who pretends to believe whatever he thinks the party’s base wants him to believe.
And the deepening anti-intellectualism of the political right, both within and beyond the G.O.P., extends far beyond the issue of climate change.
Lately, for example, The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page has gone beyond its long-term preference for the economic ideas of “charlatans and cranks” — as one of former President George W. Bush’s chief economic advisers famously put it — to a general denigration of hard thinking about matters economic. Pay no attention to “fancy theories” that conflict with “common sense,” the Journal tells us. Because why should anyone imagine that you need more than gut feelings to analyze things like financial crises and recessions?
Now, we don’t know who will win next year’s presidential election. But the odds are that one of these years the world’s greatest nation will find itself ruled by a party that is aggressively anti-science, indeed anti-knowledge. And, in a time of severe challenges — environmental, economic, and more — that’s a terrifying prospect.
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Proud Ryu
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Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:36 pm Posts: 5322 Location: The Interstice
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Unbelief in evolution is about the modern day equivalent of unbelief in a spherical Earth, which incidentally still has proponents to this day (Flat Earth Society). It's so weird to know that more than half of the people who live among you fail to believe in something which will one day be as accepted world-wide as a spherical Earth.
Just imagine someone from the Flat Earth Society getting the nomination - that's pretty much equivalent to what's going on right now in the USA.
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trixster
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Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:31 pm Posts: 19697 Location: ville-marie
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I don't like using terms like "believe" when it comes to scientific theories like evolution; it implies that there's something faith-based about accepting the science, when in fact it's quite the opposite.
But yeah, it's pretty depressing that half of Americans continue to deny evolution, simply because they can't reconcile their religious beliefs with it. It's a terribly medieval attitude.
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Proud Ryu
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Good point - it's not that people refuse to believe it so much as fail to understand it, whether the failure is a result of trying, or more likely, a refusal to try. I wonder how many people are aware that most members of high clergical office accept evolution.
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FILMO
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Joined: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:19 am Posts: 9808 Location: Suisse
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Remember: Irene and the Earthquake was sent by god to tell us that Obama sucks. Thanks Mrs Bachmann would never figured that out by myself. 
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Groucho
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This is one of my pet peeves -- when people accept science unless it contradicts their religious or political beliefs. No one ever questions the theory of gravity or of thermodynamics, but evolution and climate change?
It's sad and embarrassing, actually.
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Groucho
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FILMO wrote: Remember: Irene and the Earthquake was sent by god to tell us that Obama sucks. Thanks Mrs Bachmann would never figured that out by myself.  Strange how the earthquake and hurricane mostly hit the south, where all the conservative evangelicals live. Seems to me God was saying "Leave Obama alone, you hicks."
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Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:29 am |
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Bradley Witherberry
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The emerging American Theocracy is stronger than ever. (God help us all !)
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Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:06 pm |
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Proud Ryu
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For anyone who thinks that a country run by any of these Tea Party Republican candidates might be sustainable (or even survivable), let alone not too distinguishable from Bush's reign, here's a good place to start reconsidering: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -bond.htmlI'm not worried too much about one of these people winning this election - I am worried because we even have to seriously talk about them as being options. Just because they don't win doesn't mean we avert disaster - that they have actual support is cause for alarm.
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Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:52 pm |
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Caius
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Joined: Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:02 pm Posts: 4767
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Groucho wrote: This is one of my pet peeves -- when people accept science unless it contradicts their religious or political beliefs. No one ever questions the theory of gravity or of thermodynamics, but evolution and climate change?
It's sad and embarrassing, actually. Agree. I feel the same about those who are against nuclear power or who don't believe in the heritability of intelligence or who wish to ban genetically modified food. Here is a study establishing that much of the different intelligence types are highly heritable http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp201185a.html
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Caius wrote: \ who wish to ban genetically modified food.
\ Thank you. Organic food is the biggest scam ever.
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Bradley Witherberry
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Caius wrote: \ who wish to ban genetically modified food.
\ Thank you. Organic food is the biggest scam ever. This thread was going along so nicely and - - BAM - - it flies right off the rails!
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