That and there was far more undisclosed income. Things are far, far easier to track now.

This statement confuses me immensely, really. How few people today only have an income based on their wage salary?....Compared to thirty-five years ago? I actually don't even believe that your monthly 'salary' is your primary income anymore if you've obtained a certain socio-economic class. I don't mind that, but I am not going to pretend everyone has the same access to the same financial resources.

And, I just back-read and am not sure what the fight is. You are right, the Dems are split down the middle. But that only supports what Groucho just said (which is apparently the stimulus for this debate), that Dems do not have the same mentality of 'with us or against us.' There has always been a diversity of opinions within the democratic party about any one issue, because there is not one common ideology. That is opposite, at least in the last eight to ten years, with the in-or-out attidude of Republicans.

Starting in 1960 ending in 2010. Over that stretch, money and thus income has gotten considerably easier to track. It's gotten much harder (though far from impossible) to hide taxable income from the IRS, thus as visibility into income becomes more transparent, the IRS is able to get the same revenue out of lower tax rates, thus allowing a lower tax rate to yield the same revenue as a higher one in years past.

This is one factor that has allowed the downward push on tax rates to continue. Obviously this is far over simplified, but the point remains. Hope that helps to explain my statement more.

Obama called kanye west a jackass, his approval rating will see a 10 point bump soon

Okay I support him 100% now...

You're an idiot.

Kanye West would not be famous if he were white, as well as Obama would not be president if he were white.

What's the weather like on your planet?

Are you kidding me? Obama would have had even MORE votes if he was white. He would have won a few more states in the south, for instance. Every post-election poll done confirms that. More people voted against him because of his race than for him because of his race.

Seriously, WTF?

I don't believe that, Groucho.

Well, of course. If you have a strongly held conviction, facts are meaningless.

I simply do not think that the color of one's skin has no impact on the development of one's self and the ends one pursues in life, especially in your country. You cannot change the color of one's skin and retain the rest: not in America. I have also heard far too much the-first-black-president-what-a-sign stuff to believe that his origin has only been to his disadvantage. Furthermore, I do not trust polls.

I don't think that's even the main point. He still would have become president, more votes or not, because the Americans wouldn't have gone for another round of Republicans. Or do you think that those who were thriller by the first-black-president prospect would have elected a Republican otherwise?

I believe that he would not have been eligible.

This.

There are elements of Obama's personality and shaping as an individual that would probably not have happened had he been white. It's not about him, so much as his environment's reaction to him.

I dunno. Could a no name white senator with no experience really generate the buzz behind a change campaign to dethrone the Clinton machine?

I'm not so sure. I think I agree with Argos.

I dont think racism is that big of a factor. Obama gets more endless support from the African Americans in the U.S. than the hate he gets from white folks, imo.

The only time Ive ever lol'ed at a Hannity newsclip was him interviewing voters in Phily on election day. It was mean, but this is what happened:

He walks up to a voting booth in downtown Phily, place is packed, just about everybody is black and voting for Obama. Hannity says "isnt it great that Obama wants to_____________" and he names several JOHN MCCAIN POLICIES which Obama HATES, and the voters all say "Yeah theyre great ideas" ect. He says "Dont you agree with Obama that we should'nt ______" and he says several things Obama WANTS to do. They, again, all agree whole heartedly.

Hannity then informs that theyve been tricked, and asks if any are changing their votes.

Not a single one of them does.



Yes.

The Clinton Machine had enormous flaws to begin with, mostly being that the educated independents, aka the majority of Obama voters, didnt support her.

Yes, because personality and organization mean a lot in politics. You can't deny he gives a great speech and can rile up a crowd. And the first state he won in the primary season? Lily White Iowa.

Obama would not be the person he is today if he was white.

Argos is correct.

He also wouldn't be called "Barrack Obama"

Just Hussein. This is how the United States treat ambitious ~white men named Hussein:

watching the Chicago news and the newscasters are shocked that they were the first city elimanted today which they thought they could have been selected for the olympics.

Think it is now between Rio and Madrid.

Anyway, Obama and Oprah made a big push for Chicago that failed very fast.

Ok.