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Richardson will endorse Clinton, if anyone at all.

Edwards is likely to remain neutral. He spoke out against Obama just as much as he did Clinton. Interestingly enough the only time he really seemed to rally behind Obama was right after Obama won Iowa? Self-interest? :P But you guys will see what you want to see...

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I miss McCain circa 2000.

Honestly, I don't think this country would've gone wrong had the race been H. Clinton v. McCain in 2000. Either way, we'd have had a balanced cabinet. God knows who Obama, or the new, post-2004 McCain will appoint.


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I'm terrified at the thought of whom Hillary would appoint -- Bob Kerrey types rewarded for loyalty more than ability?

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I'm terrified at the thought of whom Hillary would appoint -- Bob Kerrey types rewarded for loyalty more than ability?

Hmm... Who does that sound like?

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I'm terrified at the thought of whom Hillary would appoint -- Bob Kerrey types rewarded for loyalty more than ability?

Hmm... Who does that sound like?

The guy that has, fairly or otherwise, stigmatized a letter of the alphabet. To taint the image of a nation is one thing; to taint the image of the letter W, that's an ability in its own class.

I can picture Obama appointing a capable team like Jack Kennedy's cabinet -- and it is much harder to grasp who they may be.

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Edwards might remain neutral or back Obama he could go either way.


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Edwards might remain neutral or back Obama he could go either way.


Well, that was insightful. :P

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Edwards might remain neutral or back Obama he could go either way.


Well, that was insightful. :P

That statement does infer, in a sense, that Edwards will not endorse Mike Gravel.

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Is there any scenario in which Edwards would end up endorsing Clinton? With his post-Iowa comments like "this was a vote against the status quo," my guess is that he'd sooner remain neutral than go for Hillary.

Is it only a matter of time before an Obama endorsement? If that's the plan, I'd strongly suggest he do it before Super Tues.


Maybe, but I doubt he'll endorse anyone before FEB 5th. He and Hillary did have a meeting after the SC debate though.

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Edwards might remain neutral or back Obama he could go either way.

LOL well I was just continuing the line that we have no idea what he is going to do.


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I will campaign with all my heart for Obama, but we should just fast-forward to January '09, where McCain gives his first (of eight) State of the Union address.

Presidents don't give State of the Union addresses right away. Bush only gave 7 in his term.

That was necessary to say, wasn't it?

Maybe we could get lucky and the next president will skip the state of the Union. I really loathe the speech. Just deliver your paper and go on with your business.


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Maybe we could get lucky and the next president will skip the state of the Union. I really loathe the speech. Just deliver your paper and go on with your business.

I feel the same way. What historical presidents gave State of the Union addresses worthy of remembrance? It's usually the Inauguration speeches that go down in history.

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The guy that has, fairly or otherwise, stigmatized a letter of the alphabet. To taint the image of a nation is one thing; to taint the image of the letter W, that's an ability in its own class.


Haha. My favorite post of the day!

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I can picture Obama appointing a capable team like Jack Kennedy's cabinet -- and it is much harder to grasp who they may be.


I wouldn't be at all surprised at a Republican Secretary of Defense, like Bill Clinton and William Cohen. And I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. I think he'll get pretty diverse with the other secretaries, though.

I'd expect Obama to go with his safest bet in a VP choice.


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I have to think that Edwards will endorse Obama, but I don't know.


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That's a shame. I didn't always agree with his policies (he is too far left for my tastes), but I always respected him throughout the entire race. He seemed a straight-shooter who didn't dabble too much into the bullshit. He is also the most-presidential looking of all the candidates - Dem or Repub - and the only one who looks like he could have fit the bill. Not that that is relevent.

This is certainly interesting, though, that the dems will have either a black man or a woman, both with a chance at winning. I doubt Edwards would endorse either.

Can anybody picture Obama picking Edwards as his running mate?

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McCain has said a lot of nutty things over the years that will come back to haunt him in a campaign. Even just a month ago he said we may be in Iraq for 100 years, that'll make a nice Obama ad in the fall.


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McCain has said a lot of nutty things over the years that will come back to haunt him in a campaign. Even just a month ago he said we may be in Iraq for 100 years, that'll make a nice Obama ad in the fall.

2...108?

Well, we've been in Guantanamo for a century as well. :funny:

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Can anybody picture Obama picking Edwards as his running mate?


I can't picture Edwards accepting.


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Can anybody picture Obama picking Edwards as his running mate?


I can't picture Edwards accepting.

Neither can I. AG is the most likely Edwards post. It'd take an advocate like him to undo Gonzales.

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Can anybody picture Obama picking Edwards as his running mate?


I can't picture Edwards accepting.

Neither can I. AG is the most likely Edwards post. It'd take an advocate like him to undo Gonzales.


And unlike that douche bag Mukasey, I don't think Edwards would have any hesitation saying that the war crime known as water-boarding is indeed torture.


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And unlike that douche bag Mukasey, I don't think Edwards would have any hesitation saying that the war crime known as water-boarding is indeed torture.

I think every nitwit that supports waterboarding should be subject to it. Only five seconds of it, for demonstration purposes. Good thing we agree on this. This isn't a liberal or conservative issue, it's an issue of humanity, or the lack thereof. The United States shall never have to resort to methods invented during the Inquisition.

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The United States shall never have to resort to methods invented during the Inquisition.


And yet we have. The reason Mukasey, as AG, cannot say that water-boarding is torture is because Bush and Rumsfeld authorized water-boarding (among other things) on detainees. So Mukasey's admission would subject Bush and Rumsfeld to war-crimes charges.

So while certain right-wing pundits are more open to their acceptance of torture, the Bush administration cannot call what they do torture, even though water-boarding was prosecuted as a war crime during the Nuremberg trials.

They really are the scum of the earth. Whoever the new president is, I feel for the mess they will have to clean up.


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The United States shall never have to resort to methods invented during the Inquisition.


And yet we have. The reason Mukasey, as AG, cannot say that water-boarding is torture is because Bush and Rumsfeld authorized water-boarding (among other things) on detainees. So Mukasey's admission would subject Bush and Rumsfeld to war-crimes charges.

So while certain right-wing pundits are more open to their acceptance of torture, the Bush administration cannot call what they do torture, even though water-boarding was prosecuted as a war crime during the Nuremberg trials.

They really are the scum of the earth. Whoever the new president is, I feel for the mess they will have to clean up.


Is water boarding what i think it is? when they continuously drop droplets of hot water on a single part of your body (usually the forehead?)


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The United States shall never have to resort to methods invented during the Inquisition.


And yet we have. The reason Mukasey, as AG, cannot say that water-boarding is torture is because Bush and Rumsfeld authorized water-boarding (among other things) on detainees. So Mukasey's admission would subject Bush and Rumsfeld to war-crimes charges.

So while certain right-wing pundits are more open to their acceptance of torture, the Bush administration cannot call what they do torture, even though water-boarding was prosecuted as a war crime during the Nuremberg trials.

They really are the scum of the earth. Whoever the new president is, I feel for the mess they will have to clean up.


Is water boarding what i think it is? when they continuously drop droplets of hot water on a single part of your body (usually the forehead?)

Water boarding is where they pour water on your towel-covered face until you nearly drown. The gag reflex is almost instant, and even trained special agents last less than a minute.

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Angela Merkel wrote:
bABA wrote:
Beeblebrox wrote:
Angela Merkel wrote:
The United States shall never have to resort to methods invented during the Inquisition.


And yet we have. The reason Mukasey, as AG, cannot say that water-boarding is torture is because Bush and Rumsfeld authorized water-boarding (among other things) on detainees. So Mukasey's admission would subject Bush and Rumsfeld to war-crimes charges.

So while certain right-wing pundits are more open to their acceptance of torture, the Bush administration cannot call what they do torture, even though water-boarding was prosecuted as a war crime during the Nuremberg trials.

They really are the scum of the earth. Whoever the new president is, I feel for the mess they will have to clean up.


Is water boarding what i think it is? when they continuously drop droplets of hot water on a single part of your body (usually the forehead?)

No, water boarding is where they pour water on your face until you nearly drown. The gag reflex is almost instant, and even trained special agents last less than a minute.




aaaahh

sounds equally horrifying


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