Randy Moss ftw
If NE falls off and lose their remaining games (lol) than my vote will go to Brett.

He makes a good case. I remember how he made Cunningham and Culpepper play that much better with him pulling down their long bombs. It's a two edged sword here though. The better he does the better Brady looks. I guess they should just be co-mvps.

He obviously didn't watch the Eagles game.

Well, this can go either way. On the one hand, the Eagles took Moss out of the game and the Pats still won, but on the other hand, they only won by three points. And I think Moss' non-effect had something to do with that.

Brady is still more valuable, no doubt about it. But Moss' impact can't be overlooked.

Brady has won 3 super bowls without Moss.

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No fucking shit Mr. Jason Whitlock, that's the whole point of your article! The difference though is where Squee mentioned. Brady has won three Super Bowls without Moss, Stallworth, Welker, etc. He won with who were mostly then, nobodys with the exception of Troy Brown.

Yeah, the Pats without Moss are much much better than the Pats without Brady.

just check the avy.

he is 110% right; Moss is much more valuable then Brady. Throw it in his zip code and hell catch it.

Pose a question. Who is game planned around more? Who makes the bigger impact or bigger difference.

Ok; Tom Brady is out and Matt Cassel is in and we're down by 17. Does the other teams gameplan change AT ALL? Of course not. The plan is still assumed to be GET THE BALL TO MOSS.

BUT if Moss comes out of the game, and Chad Jackson takes his place; theyll change to Stallworth.

Its no coincidence that the season Moss comes, Brady and Welkers numbers explode. Of course Brady is helping them; but lets be serious. How much skill does it take to throw these jump balls? I dont see Brady making these perfect endzone bombs leading Moss; I see him throwing it reallly high and Moss tracks like a centerfield, gets under it and outjumps everybody and catches it. Sorry, Moss is doing 10x the work Brady is.

Take Moss out of the equation, Bradys numbers go way down. Take Brady out of the equation; Moss's numbers dip A TAD.

A patriots team without Moss is 100x worse then a team without Brady; Moss's ridiculous ability to make catches on balls that are poorly thrown or perfectly throw opens the game up for welker; stallworth; and any running back. Hes the key to the offense; because you CANNOT DEFEND HIM. Even against Phily; he made a rarety where he dropped a deep ball; something he hardly ever does and 9/10 times he makes. He catches that; his yards go from 43 to around 80. He gets his td on what looked like on the computer a bad offensive pass interference call; hes at 90-100 yards on the night and a touchdown.

You cant contain him because unless you put Lebron James on him, he can get higher than everybody and has the greatest set of hands in the nfl.

Did you erase Moss' seasons with the Raiders from your memory?

This is a case of both players getting exactly what they wanted. Moss a good QB to throw to him, Brady a good receiver to throw to. But the fact remains, without Moss and Stallworth and Welker, Brady has won 3 super bowls. Moss has yet to win one.

Brady's numbers were still good last year with 3rd-tier receivers. What did Moss last year again?

You need a quarterback to throw to him and not just any quarterback. Otherwise he would still be in Oakland.



Brady. If he goes down they don't win a single game. Period. Without Moss they still might be an undefeated team.



No. It changes to blitz the quarterback whenever possible and to stop the run.



Or Welker, Brown, Jackson, Stallworth, Vrabel, Maroney, Kyle Brady, Faulk, and Gaffney.



Do you really think Cassel can throw that same pass Brady does. If you do you're nuts. Only four quarterbacks or so can make that throw and I'll give you a hint as to which teams they play for. Two play tonight, one plays on Sunday afternoon in Indy and the other is playing on Monday night. And no, it's not Kyle Boller.



Yes, Randy Moss is talented. If they didn't have him they'd be doing what they did for the five years before they had him and they'd still be very successful.



And the winner for the most obvious statement of the week goes to........

Remember when Brady's numbers weren't so spectacular and Manning's were? Remind me again, who was winning championships?



Not only can you not remember his time in Oakland, but you can't remember '02-'06 for the Patriots. Were you in a coma?



Yeah but he didn't catch it, the call didn't go his way and he didn't get 100 yards on the night.



Unless you're Philadelphia.

this is even more damning; but moss under performancer had nothing to do with his skill. it had to do with his attitude.

He would have had a better attitude if he had a good QB to throw to him.

As shown this season.

heres the deal sealer.

moss has done this before. hes averaged 100 yards before, and hes averaged over a touchdown a game before. And that was with Culpepper; how has he been since losing Moss?

Brady aint never done this before. He has been very successful, but that only shows that he is better than Culpepper. They are both great; but if you wanna tell which is more important, look at the guy who, for him, this aint new for, and youll know who is more imporant.

Comparing Culpepper to Brady? You just sealed our deals for us, thanks.

What has Culpepper done without Moss? Nothing. What has Brady done without Moss? 3 super bowl victories, very good numbers, and 2 super bowl MVPs.

And what did Culpepper do WITH Moss? Good numbers, but it didn't exactly translate to playoff and superbowl victories.

Up until 2005, Culpepper WAS better than Brady statistically; he has no super bowls because he didnt have ther Pats defense or corey dillion rushing for 105 yard a game alone.

Now Culpepper aint better than Brady; and please Brady didnt win those super bowls by himself. You cant say "what did culpepper do with moss besiders not win super bowls" because anyone who knows anything about football knows winng a super bowl is 110% team effort; 1 person cant blow it nor can 1 person win it and Tom Brady would be the first to tell you that.

All those years Moss and Culpepper had together they only made the playoffs twice. Culpepper had 3 good seasons. With Moss the Vikings weren't much of a playoff team. You take Moss away from the Patriots and they are still a playoff team. Not "100% worse" as you so claim. They may not be undefeated right now, but they'd still be well on their way to the playoffs.

Take out Moss and put him on the Dolphins, New England still great, Dolphins still suck. Take out Brady and put him on the Dolphins, New England may be OK, who knows, but they won't be great. Dolphins might not be great either (being as their offensive line isn't quite as spectacular as New England's, to say the least) but they will be better than they would be with just Moss.

Players of importance always starts first and foremost with the quarterback, as they are the only player to touch the ball on every play they are involved in. You have a shitty quarterback, you'll be hard pressed to make a strong run at the playoffs. Brady has done it years before Moss came around. He never had a Culpepper like season, both good and bad, until this year, but he's definitely won a lot more and with less offensive weapons around him.

This isn't the Panthers. The quarterback isnt Dehlomme, with them you can argue with ease that Steve Smith is the MVP of that team. But with the Patriots, past seasons seem to contradict that Moss is the most valuable player on that team.

Don't get me wrong, Moss has a lot to do with why Brady is doing so well this season. He's on pace to break the TD reception record, and if Brady weren't one pace to shatter the touchdown passing record, I'd be more inclined to give the nod to Moss. Both are having fantastic seasons, but with a lesser quarterback, Moss isn't even coming close to 20 touchdowns (or even 10, if we look at his time with the Raiders) while Brady will still be having a very good (though not record breaking) season.

Anyone who would take Moss when building a team before taking Brady needs their head examined.

Why are people bringing up Brady's SB wins? WHO CARES!
We're talking regular season MVP here. Without MOSS, would Brady be on the verge of breaking every single season QB records in the book? HELLS NO!

Moss = 2007 MVP

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You're foolish if you believe that. Brady is having the best year of a QB EVER. He will win the MVP by a mile. Second place will go to Farve, Moss probably won't even be mentioned.

The reason Brady is more important, and the way to prove it is: Look what the team he has played on has done, win consistently.

What have teams Moss has been on done: Sometimes win, sometimes lose. If the team is already good, Moss makes them better. If the team is already great, Moss makes them amazing.

But Brady can make a bad team a contender, Moss can't. No receiver can. The only one who can come close is Steve Smith. Hell, I personally think Wes Welker is more important to the Patriots than Moss.

Not to mention, by your standards, TO should be the MVP. He has an almost equal amount of TD's with 14, way more yards, a much higher percentage of his QB's total yards, no real proven threats to play with, and his QB isn't nearly as good as Brady.

Moss has Welker and Stalworth.

TO gets ... Crayton?!

Get off Moss's nuts.

Because of Moss. He makes the game soo easy for Brady cause the defense is soo worried
of where and what Moss is doing.



Because of Moss and Brady KNOWS it.



That'll suck ass if that happens.



Yet he has yet to win league MVP.



Why he should get it this year.



LMAO!

Without Moss, Welker & Stallworth would be performing like those other average receivers the Pats had in past years.
Why is Welker kicking ass this year? MOSS!



Get off Brady's ass.

The game has been somewhat easy for Brady for about six years now.



Brady doesn't give a shit. He's focused on winning, which is pretty much what he's been doing for most of his career - most of it without Moss.



Ha Ha.



And who cares? He has three rings. That's all that matters.



Of course it is. Moss is going to get some consideration, but if Brady keeps this up he'll win it in a landslide. I think most people have enough common sense to realize that the quarterback is the most important player on the field. Without Brady, Moss doesn't mean jack shit to this team.





Those championship winning recievers?