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Chippy
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Munkatouille wrote: GO KENTUCKY!!!  FG BLOCKED!!! 
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Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:49 pm |
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Chippy
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Terrible blocking on that final play Very disappointed... But WHAT A GAME!
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Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:16 pm |
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Chippy
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Ugh...
I hate how everyone is eating out of Tebow's hand. Urban Meyer is just featuring him in the offense even though their best player is PERCY HARVIN.
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Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:15 pm |
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Chippy
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Give it to McFadden.
He's leaving this year and if he doesn't get it it will be a travesty after his career.
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Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:37 am |
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Chippy
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Tebow can NOT win the Heisman. He CAN NOT win it. He's not the best player on his OWN TEAM.
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Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:28 pm |
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Chippy
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They're actually arguing over if Brennan or Tebow will be the better NFL QB...
Hands down it will be Brennan.
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Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:44 pm |
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Jim Halpert
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Munkatouille wrote: They're actually arguing over if Brennan or Tebow will be the better NFL QB...
Hands down it will be Brennan. it'll be neither, they're both system qb's
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:28 am |
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Chippy
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Brennan has a rocket arm, can get it out of his hand quick and can read defenses better.
Tebow is a 2 trick pony.
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Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:31 am |
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Jim Halpert
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Munkatouille wrote: Brennan has a rocket arm, can get it out of his hand quick and can read defenses better.
Tebow is a 2 trick pony. doesnt mean he's going to be a good pro. just means he's more talented than tebow
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:18 am |
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Chippy
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Yes, he is.
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:26 am |
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Passionate Thug
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COMMENTARY: Heisman Trophy's credibility on the line this season more than ever before By Matt Jones, Arkansas Traveler December 3, 2007(CSTV U-WIRE) FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. --
If Darren McFadden doesn't return home from New York with the Heisman Trophy, the award has lost all merit. The trophy clearly reads, "Most Outstanding Player in College Football." No other six-set of words could describe McFadden, who shred LSU's defense to bits last Friday with 206 rushing yards, 34 more passing yards and four combined touchdowns as the Razorbacks won their first game over a top-ranked team in 26 years.
Not since Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson tortured Southeastern Conference foes over a six-year span in the early to mid-'80s has the league had a back as explosive as D-Mac. Those two guys won Heisman trophies -- as juniors. Now Arkansas' junior faces what is sure to be one of the closest votes in the award's history. The chief competitor is another SEC guy -- Florida sophomore quarterback Tim Tebow.
Arguments can be made for both players. But McFadden could be the victim of a statement award.
No sophomore has ever won the Heisman, nor has a freshman. Analysts say times are changing and it's time for deserving underclassmen to be recognized as the best if they perform on the field.
We've seen this before. Dateline: 1997 -- Tennessee quarterback Peyton Manning is a shoe-in to win the Heisman as the nation's best player. But after an impressive performance against rival Ohio State, Michigan cornerback Charles Woodson in essence received ESPN's vote, and it's hard for a player to lose the award when the network in charge of the highlights is backing you.
Woodson became the first defensive player to win the Heisman and it was supposed to be a landmark win for defenders. More defensive players were going to be invited to New York and more would walk away with the trophy. Remember?
But 10 years later, no defender has been invited back to the Heisman presentation and none will be back this year.
I'm not opposed to a sophomore winning the award, if deserving, and as a disclaimer I never felt McFadden should win the award a year ago. But Tebow's backers cite only two numbers: 20-20. Tebow became the first player in college football history to pass for 20 touchdowns and rush for 20 touchdowns in a season. His 22 rushing touchdowns are tied for the all-time record by a quarterback.
But Heisman voters must be careful awarding the award by virtue of statistics. If numbers were all it took to win the award, systematic quarterbacks from Texas Tech and Hawaii would be on-hand to receive the hardware every season. And remember this: while McFadden was tearing up SEC defenses in November, when the performances have seemed to matter the most in recent years, Tebow played two non-conference games against an average-at-best Florida State team and Florida Atlantic, who has been playing in the Football Bowl Subdivision for all of two years.
Tebow has padded his stats in those two games, with 10 of his season-total 51 touchdowns.
McFadden didn't pad his stats against non-conference opponents, despite the general perception of those in the national media.
ESPN's Mark May, who somehow seems to be the network's know-all when it comes to the Heisman, cites McFadden's three games when he didn't go over 100 yards. Only one of those games should even be mentioned.
McFadden struggled mightily, perhaps more than ever before, with 42 rushing yards in a loss to Auburn in October. That performance, coupled with Arkansas's 0-3 start in league play, threw McFadden under the Heisman bus and he flew below the national radar until an SEC record-tying 321-yard outing against South Carolina. That South Carolina game was one of five wins in Arkansas's last six games, and the Razorbacks ended the conference season with a .500 mark in conference play.
The other two non-100-yard performances came against Florida International (61 yards rushing, 4 touchdowns) when McFadden wasn't needed after halftime -- though he did add an extra touchdown in the third quarter -- and against Mississippi State in Little Rock. McFadden had 88 rushing yards against the Bulldogs to go along with a 57-yard touchdown reception and a 24-yard touchdown pass. And perhaps May forgot McFadden's 195-yard performance shortened by a concussion at Alabama or his 173-yard game against Kentucky, despite playing with a virus. Only losses seemed to detract those performances on May's own network.
But if we are going to award the 2007 Heisman based on statistics, take these in mind, Mark:
* 1,725 rushing yards, the highest total by an SEC back in 25 years.
* 885 yards accounted for and 8 touchdowns accounted for in the month of November.
McFadden has also refurbished a 70-year-old formation in the Single-Wing and made it his own. When a team lines up an athlete at quarterback any time in the next 20 years, announcers will cite McFadden's days in the WildHog.
And while Tebow has rushed for 22 touchdowns, he isn't the first quarterback to run for scores. But when was the last time a running back was a threat to pass for touchdowns at any time?
Tebow is a great player and still has another year left in college football. His time will come, but he should not be the Heisman winner this time around. Most would agree he's not even the best player in his conference.
McFadden will likely be the first player taken in the NFL Draft in April. The Heisman winner hasn't been taken first in the draft since Barry Sanders in 1989, and the draft takes pride in acknowledging the most outstanding player in college football first every year.
One can only hope the award bearing the same distinction finally does the same.
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:08 pm |
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Chippy
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:48 pm |
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Chippy
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Tebow should NOT have more carries than their main RB. It showed selfishness on Urban Meyer's part on trying to get his QB a Heisman and get MORE recognition for himself.
If a QB gets the Heisman it should be on his leadership ability, which Tebow lacks, and his ability to break a game open, which he lacks.
Brennan/Dixon/McFadden ALL have GREAT leadership and can BLOW a game open.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:02 am |
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Chippy
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This is a SAD day in college football.
What a shame!
I'm EXTREMELY disappointed in the heisman voters. They should be ASHAMED!!!
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:56 pm |
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Excel
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well i can tell you right now, mcfadden wont be the top player in the draft; not even top 2 as Miami has Brown and St Louis got Jackson. First potential pick would be jets wo have an udner preforming and aging thomas jones; or pats who have a young and potential supertsar in maroney.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:11 pm |
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Chippy
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Patriots are going to get the #2 pick. They either trade down for a big time defender, or take McFadden. You can NOT pass on McFadden, he's a guaranteed hall of famer, ala Adrian Peterson.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:31 pm |
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Excel wrote: well i can tell you right now, mcfadden wont be the top player in the draft; not even top 2 as Miami has Brown and St Louis got Jackson. First potential pick would be jets wo have an udner preforming and aging thomas jones; or pats who have a young and potential supertsar in maroney. Yeah, the Pats will either draft McFadden themselves or trade down to a team desperate for him. He'll go #2. Draft King's latest mock.... http://www.draftking.com/nfl/2008/mockdraft.shtml
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:35 pm |
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Chippy
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Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Laurence Maroney, Darren McFadden... and they could opt to try and get Chad Johnson... Talk about SCARY. 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:38 pm |
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Jedi Master Carr
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Yeah the Pats should have the 2 pick right now, but who knows somebody could make a huge offer to Miami to get Mcfadden. I think Mcfadden will be great in the pros. Tebow will be another Gino Toretta, Charlie Ward, Chris Weinkie, or Jason White.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:01 am |
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Flava'd vs The World
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the Pats don't really have a player with a great nickname. They need Run DMC.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:44 am |
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Jim Halpert
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Flava'd‡ wrote: the Pats don't really have a player with a great nickname. They need Run DMC. his nickname is D-Mac not Run DMC
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:38 pm |
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Passionate Thug
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Nope we call him both D-Mac or Run DMC
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:46 pm |
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Jim Halpert
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Passionate Thug wrote: Nope we call him both D-Mac or Run DMC i go to university of arkansas. we do not call him run dmc.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:14 pm |
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Excel
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The Pats 2 most popular nicknames would be "Kool-Aid" (Laurence Maroney); prominelty said during his rookie season "Drink the Koolaid!", a reference Jonestown, meaning kollaid aka Maroney is worth drinking aka Maroney is worth playing 2nd would C-Jac aka Chad Jackson. Their diesel feature star wide out, #17 who returned the kicks today.
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:45 pm |
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Passionate Thug
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 I'm from Arkansas and grew up around the corner from DMC, 501 baby what's your point? If you look at many games this year there were signs in the stands for both. Also his offical fansite blog and offical website has both as well as others listed as nicknames: http://www.darrenmcfadden.org/ and http://www.5darrenmcfadden.com/Quote: Darren has many nicknames ranging from "Run DMC", to "501", to "D-Mac",to "D-Dawg", "Eric Calvi", to "Humanity Advanced" and others.
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