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neo_wolf
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 Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) That Phone call where Walter acts to takes all the blame so Skyler would be left off the hook was amazing, just give Cranston the Emmy already.
I also liked how Walter discovered Jessie hiding like a rat under the car, nice callback to the previous episode when he called him a rat.
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Mau
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) Can Breaking Bad get Oscars plz.
Anna Gunn and Cranston just OWNED.
Best episode of the show eveeeer
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) I really do think that may have been the best episode of the show. I can see it basically being everyone's submission for the Emmys next year. The acting, writing and directing were all flawless.
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Mau
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) At this point BB is destined to sweep Emmys next year. They better put Cranston and Gunn-s name on the Emmys and a toss up between Hank and Jesse for supporting actress.
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) This is just insane now.
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Libs
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) I just watched "Ozymandias" in my hotel room alternating between stunned silence, gasping and feelings of overwhelming dread. I did not realize a television show was capable of producing such a visceral reaction.
So many things happened that I barely even had time to react. Hank's death, which we probably all knew was coming...devastating. The plight of one poor Mr. Jesse Pinkman continuing (finding out about Jane! getting sent off to maybe die!)...devastating. The knife fight between Walt and Skyler with Jr. intervening...devastating. Holly being kidnapped...devastating. Walt's monstrous (mostly an act for freedom/protection for Skyler) phone call...devastating.
Can you tell there's a theme here?
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Jonathan
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) I was almost completely numb for a good 30 minutes after watching this episode. An incredible hour of TV. Magnus wrote: Rian Johnson directed last nights episode. I don't think its a stretch to say that last nights episode was the best thing hes ever done in any medium, and I enjoy his films. He also directed "Fly" from S3 and "Fifty-One" from last year, both of which would rank in my all-time Top 10 of the show. This episode easily joins them. Him and MacLaren are definitely the directing MVPs of the show.
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thompsoncory
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) I didn't even realize until I looked it up that Rian Johnson also did "Fifty-One," which was INCREDIBLE as well and features one of my favorite scenes of all time from this series (the Skylar-Walter fight). I've rewatched the knife fight scene from last night and it's so well-directed. The knife constantly coming at the screen is seriously nightmare-inducing. Skylar chasing the car down the street was just...wow. Powerhouse performance from Anna Gunn.
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) Magnus wrote: And the image of Jesse, bloodied and bruised, chained up in the lab is one of the most harrowing images of hell on earth I've seen for a fictional character. Granted, I beleive Jesse deserves punishment for his sins but what he's given even seems to be too much. The fact that Jesse seems likely to endure some kind of prolonged torturous situation gives me the slightest hope he might make it out of all this alive. A huge part of what destroyed Jesse as a person was killing Gale with pretty much no consequences for him eventually followed by the Drew Sharpe killing they all got away with, which only happened because of the train heist Jesse engineered. Jesse being put through what I imagine he perceives as a deserved punishment might finally allow him to accept things he's done and move forward, somehow someway. I just want Jesse to survive. And kill Walt  Also, in that second of Jesse looking up at the birds in the sky before nearly being executed I was so sure it was about to happen and my insides were all horribly twisted. Perfect moment. Not enough words to describe how amazing this show is.
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publicenemy#1
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) The episode was aaaaahmazing.
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) He is just putting on a performance. It's why he's bawling as he says hideous things.
The whole episode was about Walt trying to place blame on others. It's Jesse's fault that Hank was there in the first place, therefore it's Jesse's fault that Hank is dead. It's Skyler's fault for telling Jr. and putting Walt in a bad position. Etc. Holly saying "mama" is what broke Walt out of it. The things he said in that call were based on things he's felt, but he finally realizes that it's bullshit. He screwed up, not them.
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) His "I still have things to do" was making sure the cops keep after him and stay away from Skyler and Jr. Same with "You'll end up just like Hank." He's both letting Marie know that her husband is dead and getting everybody's attention by saying he took out a DEA agent.
This really isn't that complicated. The episode begins in a flashback with Walter calling Skyler with a lie he struggled to play off. The episode ends with Walter calling Skyler and weaving lies with no effort whatsoever.
Also? Walt's coming back in the flash-forward to save Jesse from Uncle Jack.
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) Of course he'd thought some of those things. Again, it's why he's crying; he's ashamed of having felt them and saying them out loud. But I don't believe that as he called Skyler a stupid bitch that he actually believed it in the moment, even for a second.
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neo_wolf
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) The only moment where i believe walt might not have been acting in that phone call was when he said you never believed in me. You were never grateful for anything I did for this family, but other than that he was acting to absolve Skyler and she realised it, when she said im sorry she really meant it.
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Libs
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) Magnus wrote: I really have issue with some critics saying the phone call at the end was just Walt/Heisnberg performing in front of the cops in order to absolve Skyler.
Yes, to an extent, he wants to absolve Skyler. But the emotions of hate and contempt he has are very real. His anger towards her is not another one of his manufacutured lies. Thinking he was just merely putting on a performance to me is giving him way too much credit than he deserves. It was a performance though. Does he have some anger at Skyler? Obviously. But now that Jr knows, even Walt knows that his image of a nuclear family is over. He still wants his family to be OK but that can no longer include him. Why else would've be crying when he was saying that, or making Skyler seem line an abused victim rather than a participant? I think the show also included that scene as a meta wink at the Skyler haters who have always thought the things Walt said to her. These haters will miss the point of the scene completely of course.
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) It is obviously a mixture of truthfulness and lies. Some of the things he said, he genuinely believed in. They were buried deep inside him for long enough. But most of it was a show that hurt him terribly. I think Magnus just wishes/hopes that he meant it.
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The Dark Shape
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) Who the fuck was waiting to see Hank die and expecting to feel joy?
Those people would genuinely frighten me.
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) Magnus wrote: Dr. Lecter wrote: It is obviously a mixture of truthfulness and lies. Some of the things he said, he genuinely believed in. They were buried deep inside him for long enough. But most of it was a show that hurt him terribly. I think Magnus just wishes/hopes that he meant it. My initial statement was"the things he says to her are not just all made up. Those are honest feelings he has". Which you seem to agree with. If he geniunely believed in some of the things he said how the hell is it just a "performance"? It can't be just a performance if he actually believed in some of it. Yes, he does go overboard on purpose particularly with the whole threatning to kill her and stupid bitch but to discount the whole thing as performance is wrong to me. These lines to me are not just mere words he said out of performance: "why can't you do one thing I say?", "this is what comes with your disrespect!", "you never believed in me.", and "you were never grateful for anything I did for this family". If you beleive he has some geniune belief in those words, then you really cannot say that whole call was just a performance. Crying doesn't mean Walt is completely lying. You can cry when you tell the truth. As you may find, the word "performance" does not appear in my original post. What I am trying to say that, IMO, you overestimate the relative percentage of true feelings in what he has said. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) BTW, though I loved the episode...am I the only one that thought that Walt telling Jesse about Jane felt contrived?
It seemed to me like the witers were thinking: "Well, shit, there isn't much time on the show and Jesse just HAS to find out the truth about Jane...hmmm, where do we put this in? How about Walt just spitting it into its face, though probably after knowing that Walt poisoned Brock and knowing that you are being led off my white supremacists to be tortured and killed, knowing that Walt let Jane die is probably just the third-worst thing out of these three... I know everyone waned Jesse to find out (including myself), but that little bit felt misplaced...more led by the need of the writers to have Jesse know it than serving the story.
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) No it didn't. For me that was the coldest thing Walt has ever done. Just spitting it out to Jesse when he was about to die in the most despicable way possible.
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) https://www.google.de/search?q=imdb+ozy ... 4gSO_4C4AwFirst episode ever to achieve that rating with so many votes (IMDB doesn't officially show it yet)?
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Mau
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) So I'm not the only one who thinks this was the best episode of BB of all times and one of the best in tv history?
Cool
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) I also thought the Jane confession was kinda contrived, but it may just be me reading stuff about how Jesse still doesn't know and boom, it happened out of nowhere.
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Dr. Lecter
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Re: Breaking Bad: Season 5 (THE END) How can a reviewer be so epically off as this Newsday guy? Quote: But Sunday night's "Ozymandias" probably won't go down as any fan's most favorite episode either. Riiiight. I think for about a quarter of all BB-fans, this was their favorite episode. Including Vince Gilligan, by the way. _________________The greatest thing on earth is to love and to be loved in return!
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