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I've been seeing some say something along the lines of "They're not banning abortion! People can still get them by traveling to states that decide to keep them legal! They're just giving the states back the right to legislate abortion since it's not in the constitution and Roe overstepped its bounds."

Okay... then what of the states that are drafting legislation that will criminalize and punish those who travel for an abortion? As well as the legal threats being made (legislation is probably being planned already, too) by these legislators toward companies that have come out saying they'd pay expenses for their employees who have to travel for an abortion?

There is a bill moving forward in Louisiana that is redefining "fertilization" as "person" and will charge an abortion as an act of homicide. Missouri has legislation to put a travel ban on their citizens who attempt to travel out-of-state for an abortion, and anyone assisting those that manage to go out-of-state, can be sued.

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Testing.


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Testing.


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RGB should have retied 2009-2012. 100% no doubt about it. The consequences of her decision not to are simply staggering.

Important to remember that the vast majority of the country - which includes MANY republicans - do not want it overturned.


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This is what the Republican Party thinks of women.


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So it’s the links….

Says SQL errors….

Why am I wasting my time on WOKJ?

I said I was done but typed two long posts but neither went through.

Anyway long story short, I just deleted my own rant about not trading a spit second of my time for Elon’s fortune. And in fact not trading a split second for more money than you could ever comprehend. And I’m not even joking because that money’s a liability and my time is worth more.

Oh look, my notifications just said Lisa Cook is the first black woman in the fed board. That following the last post when I got angry after my notifications said that there’s a 50 percent chance global average temperatures will pass climate thresholds in the next 5 years. Crazy world.

But my original posts actually turned into rants about the USA, UN etc. being strategically inconsequential.


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This is what the Republican Party thinks of women.


Testing.


And that twitter link is hilariously stupid.


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He seems to have reasonable viewpoint of knowing it needs to be more moderated than 4chan style if he doesn't want to lose his money, but less ideologically driven than now


So, I might as well repost what I trying to say; forgot about this part. If you’re trying to moderate a social media platform based on who is happy or unhappy, you’re allowing decisions to be influenced by politics and bias rather than objectivity or truth. So his POV is obviously flawed, but reflects the culture and its policies, he’s just saying explicitly what others don’t, like with Donald John Trump. If you want objectivity, you have to focus on content regardless of politics. Technically I’d have to consider the “left” to be far right, but I don’t care about politics, rather things I can prove. Their political differences are insignificant as far as I’m concerned. That’s how far in the past they are.


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There, hope I’m done with politics forever.


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Technically I’d have to consider the “left” to be far right, but I don’t care about politics, rather things I can prove. Their political differences are insignificant as far as I’m concerned. That’s how far in the past they are.


So you're about that Karl Marx life now or what?

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Technically I’d have to consider the “left” to be far right, but I don’t care about politics, rather things I can prove. Their political differences are insignificant as far as I’m concerned. That’s how far in the past they are.


So you're about that Karl Marx life now or what?


No, technically I’d consider him far right too. But again I don’t care about politics.


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And I was always “far left” in many ways. I mean, I still oppose the socialists, not because I support capitalism, but because they are worse than capitalism. That hasn’t really changed in the past 20 years I guess. I mean, my ideas are more developed, it was always clear to me that capitalism never made much sense. Or economics more generally.


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I mean communism centralizes power, even leftist say that’s a right wing divergence. People on the internet who call themselves “moderates”, but whom others call “right wing” say that authoritarianism is a leftist trait. But again, I don’t really care about politics or your political spectrum.


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Technically I’d have to consider the “left” to be far right, but I don’t care about politics, rather things I can prove. Their political differences are insignificant as far as I’m concerned. That’s how far in the past they are.


So you're about that Karl Marx life now or what?


No, technically I’d consider him far right too. But again I don’t care about politics.


I follow some people are who are pro-Marx but anti-left. You may find this guy interesting, sometimes I have trouble understanding what he's saying admittedly https://antileftistmarx.substack.com/p/ ... tism-1?s=r.

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Why would I want to follow an anti-left Marxist? I said Marxism is part of the problem. I mean, I’ll check the link, but I expect the worst.


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I mean communism centralizes power, even leftist say that’s a right wing divergence. People on the internet who call themselves “moderates”, but whom others call “right wing” say that authoritarianism is a leftist trait. But again, I don’t really care about politics or your political spectrum.


So how you would define your views? You seem to be against centralized power, but a self proclaimed leftist who doesn't believe capitalism works rather than a libertarian. Anarchist?

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Why would I want to follow an anti-left Marxist? I said Marxism is part of the problem. I mean, I’ll check the link, but I expect the worst.


I think Marx had some holes in his predictions, but the main reason for communist dictators in the 1900s is probably that authoritarian minded people just needed to tell the lower classes something to get them to buy into their snake oil, rather than them really believing in any of it. I mean when Mao has 50 mansions and is eating gourmet food flown in that day while people are starving, I don't think he really believes in "classless society", quite the opposite, he believes in class division more with him deserving to be King and the worthless peasants to serve him. The end result of successful communist revolutions is typically more feudal societies than they had before, the complete opposite of what the goal was supposed to be, because it was always just BS and a means to an end to get gullible people to give them authoritarian power. Meanwhile some people will claim that this means that communism hasn't really been tried, but the way I view it is that if it's ended all these types with feudal lord type assholes in charge, maybe it's best to just stop going to that well and admit that utopia isn't possible, if you have positions of total power open someone bad is going to inevitably fill it, the good people don't have the same desire for power.

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No, I don’t believe in politics. It’s just a game as far as I’m concerned. I treat it like a science I suppose. Without making it too complicated, we can say I’d replace politics with science, and other objective disciplines, but again, they way you will interpret that statement is far too simplistic and would be misleading. If you make history, economics, and other similar areas more scientific and objective, it’s just a gradual process, but again, that’s misleading. Within a complicated and advanced civilization (yours is definitively not; it’s extremely primitive), creativity becomes ever more essential, including within logic and science.


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No, I don’t believe in politics. It’s just a game as far as I’m concerned. I treat it like a science I suppose. Without making it too complicated, we can say I’d replace politics with science, and other objective disciplines, but again, they way you will interpret that statement is far too simplistic and would be misleading. If you make history, economics, and other similar areas more scientific and objective, it’s just a gradual process, but again, that’s misleading. Within a complicated and advanced civilization (yours is definitively not; it’s extremely primitive), creativity becomes ever more essential, including within logic and science.


The problem is how do you decide who the objective scientists are? People disagree on whether Dr Fauci is objective for example, same for scientists who work in politically charged fields like climate change, abortion or trans bodies.

The world would be better if everyone in charge was rational, but rationality has never been as popular as appealing to emotions, and eventually someone always realizes that dividing people against each other is the best political strategy in history.

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Why would I want to follow an anti-left Marxist? I said Marxism is part of the problem. I mean, I’ll check the link, but I expect the worst.


I think Marx had some holes in his predictions, but the main reason for communist dictators in the 1900s is probably that authoritarian minded people just needed to tell the lower classes something to get them to buy into their snake oil, rather than them really believing in any of it. I mean when Mao has 50 mansions and is eating gourmet food flown in that day while people are starving, I don't think he really believes in "classless society", quite the opposite, he believes in class division more with him deserving to be King and the worthless peasants to serve him. The end result of successful communist revolutions is typically more feudal societies than they had before, the complete opposite of what the goal was supposed to be, because it was always just BS and a means to an end to get gullible people to give them authoritarian power. Meanwhile some people will claim that this means that communism hasn't really been tried, but the way I view it is that if it's ended all these types with feudal lord type assholes in charge, maybe it's best to just stop going to that well and admit that utopia isn't possible, if you have positions of total power open someone bad is going to inevitably fill it, the good people don't have the same desire for power.


No, it’s the opposite of everything you said until you got to total power. But power definitively can be challenged, truth cannot.


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No, I don’t believe in politics. It’s just a game as far as I’m concerned. I treat it like a science I suppose. Without making it too complicated, we can say I’d replace politics with science, and other objective disciplines, but again, they way you will interpret that statement is far too simplistic and would be misleading. If you make history, economics, and other similar areas more scientific and objective, it’s just a gradual process, but again, that’s misleading. Within a complicated and advanced civilization (yours is definitively not; it’s extremely primitive), creativity becomes ever more essential, including within logic and science.


The problem is how do you decide who the objective scientists are? People disagree on whether Dr Fauci is objective for example, same for scientists who work in politically charged fields like climate change, abortion or trans bodies.

The world would be better if everyone in charge was rational, but rationality has never been as popular as appealing to emotions, and eventually someone always realizes that dividing people against each other is the best political strategy in history.


:funny: :funny: :funny: :funny: Fact are facts. Reality, math and logic etc. define science. You can appeal to irrational emotions, but it’s irrelevant to truth and reality except in your ability to face the consequences for your irrational decisions and behavior. This reminds me of the end of the Matrix Reloaded.


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Reality, math and logic etc. define science.


If they're actually engaging in real science

A fundamentalist scientist who's trying to prove evolution isn't real, is not really engaging in science for example, he's engaging in activism for his religion. As a result his method is to starts with the conclusion that evolution isn't real, and then cherry picks all the evidence to support it, and intentionally ignores the evidence in favor of evolution. This method is the opposite of science that starts with evidence and then draws conclusions from it, or lets their original hypothesis be challenged by new evidence.

I have no reason to take seriously scientists who use this circular logic seriously, no matter how many PHDs they have. In an ideal world peer review would be able to spot obviously biased science... unless the peer reviewers share the same religious or quasi-religious views as him. At that point they're more likely to reject him for not being subjective enough towards their beliefs.

When it comes to how why the right doesn't "trust the science" on things like covid and climate change, this is how they're viewing those scientists. They view left wing ideologues as having taken over the science field in order to be soldiers for their ideology, and once the top universities purged non-left wing thinking from peer review, it became nearly impossible for a conservative to reach the type of credentials that the people like Fauci propped out by the government and media do. The idea that you're not allowed to question the science on things like covid, goes against what science is supposed to be, which is something to be challenged and tested.

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Reality, math and logic etc. define science.


If they're actually engaging in real science

A fundamentalist scientist who's trying to prove evolution isn't real, is not really engaging in science for example, he's engaging in activism for his religion. As a result his method is to starts with the conclusion that evolution isn't real, and then cherry picks all the evidence to support it, and intentionally ignores the evidence in favor of evolution. This method is the opposite of science that starts with evidence and then draws conclusions from it, or lets their original hypothesis be challenged by new evidence.

I have no reason to take seriously scientists who use this circular logic seriously, no matter how many PHDs they have. In an ideal world peer review would be able to spot obviously biased science... unless the peer reviewers share the same religious or quasi-religious views as him. At that point they're more likely to reject him for not being subjective enough towards their beliefs.

When it comes to how why the right doesn't "trust the science" on things like covid and climate change, this is how they're viewing those scientists. They view left wing ideologues as having taken over the science field in order to be soldiers for their ideology, and once the top universities purged non-left wing thinking from peer review, it became nearly impossible for a conservative to reach the type of credentials that the people like Fauci propped out by the government and media do. The idea that you're not allowed to question the science on things like covid, goes against what science is supposed to be, which is something to be challenged and tested.


OMG!!! Your accusing “leftist scientists” of doing something and engaging in bad science because you admit that religious scientists have done so? That doesn’t provide evidence that the scientific consensus on something like climate change is wrong. Scientists who doubted the evidence have changed their minds. And you talk about circular thinking? Have you read any science on climate change? It’s very clear and convincing. Evidence, logic, math, reality, and truth do have an advantage, because they cannot be whatever you want them to be. That is not political. I don’t even believe in “western science” it’s peer review process, or its philosophy of science. As far as I’m concerned the arena of science is the universe, reality, and the languages, like math or logic, that can describe, explain, and enable you to exactly understand it. That is the only thing everyone is required to recognize. Sooner or later anyway.

Who said you can’t question the science on Coronavirus? Rational, scientific criticism is one thing, but most of the attacks on the internet are political, religious, or conspiratorial. It’s not science if it continues to oppose the truth and reality.


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