Amazing that the right has voted for years now with only one thing in mind, "owning the libs".

Truly the biggest idiots on the planet.

California vs Florida would really be a fitting 2024 election

If Trump runs I don't see anybody beating him in primary except DeSantis. I don't think anyone else can reach that high floor.

If Trump doesn't run, it opens up a wide range of possibilities for sleepers since there's a chance DeSantis campaign is a disappointment, plus Trump could get behind someone else if he wanted.

This is a great ad and I have been waiting forever for someone to take this. It also reminds me of PB 2020 debate highlight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMLLcNenKno

These elections are won with moderates in suburbs and their tars of angles are extremely effective. Simple, to the point.

Kellyanne Conway absolutely nailed the current state of GOP candidates on David Axelrod's podcast. There is nothing different about DeSantis compared to Scott Walker or Marco Rubio in 2015 (leaders from a pivotal swing states). Do not take this as meaning that Trump is the candidate obviously. Her point was the poll leaders 2-3 years out are almost never the candidate. it remains to be seen what GOP voters will truly be hungering for in 2023 and 2024. DT got crushed by Biden in 11/2020, and I see absolutely no reason think that DT's popularity has improved since then given the extreme unpopularity of his post election behavior.

Like 2008, 2012, 2016, and 2020, 2024 will be decidedly in the suburbs. The market in 2020 for suburban voters was for LESS DRAMA. The Dems nearly killed themselves with the uber drama from the squad, but Biden's presence was perfect antidote. Should this continue, I think this is a fatal problem for Trump and a late problem for a DeSantis type figure. Voters do indeed want a fighter, but they want it packaged professionally. My general thought is calm demeanor packaged with generic MAGA policies will allow people like Mike Pence or even Marco Rubio to perform better than expected.

Until proven otherwise, I think Mike Pence's actions on 1/6 did himself a remarkable service with the traditional suburban Republican voter and this is going benefit him tremendously in 2023 and beyond. No, Pence won't poll as well as DeSantis right now, but when actual campaigns begin, and they get on the debate stage, I expect Pence to perform quite well. I also think he is ultimately someone that 90% of die hard DT supporters (not the "hang Pence crowd" which is <.01% of DT crowd) could get behind along with the GOP establishment. He is the more presentable, family friendly version of Trump.

Trump, on the other hand, is getting more and more toxic. But possibly more crucial to the GOP, I think many feel he is a Bernie-esque candidate who simply cannot win a general election. I would expect them to coalesce around someone else if it indeed looks like DT will win the nomination.

Yeah man one guy tried many things to prevent people from dying, the other didn't give a shit whether you lived or died.

Those two states also are far more condensed. Florida is pretty damn spread out

Florida is 7th most densely populated, it's not Manhattan but it's also not Alaska.

Anyway, the majority of Americans do not support lockdowns outside of deep blue cities and would rather make their own health decisions, even if the risk leads to a tad more deaths per capita. Anyone who is concerned about a virus can still take precautions themselves. It doesn't have to be forced by the governor.

Zero states locked down. Zero cities locked down.

Just absolute gibberish being fed to the right wing nuts.

Also holy fuck this is psychotic. You call yourself pro-life? Jesus would literally be a Communist.

People taking a calculated risk of their own accord is morally permissible IMO. You could guarantee pretty much everyone died of old age if you locked everyone inside forever. But we don't do it. Obviously in a country of 330m people some people will die from covid. Doesn't change the fact its a very low percentage and if you were young and healthy it was even less likely, and thus it's not the states interest what risks people are willing to take.

So you're pro abortion, then, right?

Women taking a calculated risk of their own accord is morally permissible. If you're OK with healthy people passing a deadly virus to older people or even just people with "comorbidities".