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This thread is for fun speculation for what if Hilary Clinton had won the presidency back in 2016. Be interesting to imagine the differences, especially how 2020 would’ve been impacted.


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Politics would have been boring for the past four years.


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What if Trump had won in 2020?


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* Trump starts own news network with anti-Hilary coverage, but he doesn’t run in 2024

* economy and stock market do great (though not as high as Trump) with GOP Congress and willing to manipulate to benefit stock market (like Bill Clinton and Trump)

* Me-too never happens, to avoid Bill Clinton looking bad

* Jeffrey Epstein still alive and not in jail

* Assuming Covid-19 is a bioweapon, Covid-19 doesn’t happen. Since US foreign policies are very beneficial to China.

* Assuming Covid-19 is not a bioweapon, then Clinton has nationwide lockdown and mask policy, however, inside relationship with China means US can secure masks and Chinese testing from China, much earlier than Trump. But extended nationwide lockdown still happens anyway, heavily benefiting Big Tech Bug Business, and China. High death count despite lockdown and mask mandate, since people leave homes with cloth or improperly worn masks not realizing they will still get it. People tire of extended lockdown and vote GOP in 2020.

* a lot of terrorism in Middle East, ISIS still powerful and frequently in the news

* BLM still happens in 2020. Protests and looting still happens, but not really much white Antifa rioting like under Trump (partially funded by China). Bipartisan support for BLM is stronger since the message is not about defunding the police but just ending police brutality.

* Bernie Sanders run third party in 2020 and get a lot of progressive votes

* Dwayne Johnson and Kanye West both enter GOP primary, as both had claimed to run in 2020 back in 2016 when they thought Hilary is their main opponent. Johnson becomes 2020 nominee, and BLM supporters split between him and Sanders, especially since Clinton policies didn’t help blacks.

* Johnson wins 2020, even if no Covid-19, with high BLM support and Trump Channel support. Even more landslide if Covid-19 happens


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What if Napoleon had won Waterloo? What if the movie “Independence Day” were real? What if New Zealand were a continent?


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Mine:

* Trump starts own news network with anti-Hilary coverage, but he doesn’t run in 2024

* economy and stock market do great (though not as high as Trump) with GOP Congress and willing to manipulate to benefit stock market (like Bill Clinton and Trump)

* Me-too never happens, to avoid Bill Clinton looking bad

* Jeffrey Epstein still alive and not in jail

* Assuming Covid-19 is a bioweapon, Covid-19 doesn’t happen. Since US foreign policies are very beneficial to China.

* Assuming Covid-19 is not a bioweapon, then Clinton has nationwide lockdown and mask policy, however, inside relationship with China means US can secure masks and Chinese testing from China, much earlier than Trump. But extended nationwide lockdown still happens anyway, heavily benefiting Big Tech Bug Business, and China. High death count despite lockdown and mask mandate, since people leave homes with cloth or improperly worn masks not realizing they will still get it. People tire of extended lockdown and vote GOP in 2020.

* a lot of terrorism in Middle East, ISIS still powerful and frequently in the news

* BLM still happens in 2020. Protests and looting still happens, but not really much white Antifa rioting like under Trump (partially funded by China). Bipartisan support for BLM is stronger since the message is not about defunding the police but just ending police brutality.

* Bernie Sanders run third party in 2020 and get a lot of progressive votes

* Dwayne Johnson and Kanye West both enter GOP primary, as both had claimed to run in 2020 back in 2016 when they thought Hilary is their main opponent. Johnson becomes 2020 nominee, and BLM supporters split between him and Sanders, especially since Clinton policies didn’t help blacks.

* Johnson wins 2020, even if no Covid-19, with high BLM support and Trump Channel support. Even more landslide if Covid-19 happens


This is insane but the first funny thing I remember a Republican saying in a while.


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Alex Y. wrote:
Mine:

* Trump starts own news network with anti-Hilary coverage, but he doesn’t run in 2024

* economy and stock market do great (though not as high as Trump) with GOP Congress and willing to manipulate to benefit stock market (like Bill Clinton and Trump)

* Me-too never happens, to avoid Bill Clinton looking bad

* Jeffrey Epstein still alive and not in jail

* Assuming Covid-19 is a bioweapon, Covid-19 doesn’t happen. Since US foreign policies are very beneficial to China.

* Assuming Covid-19 is not a bioweapon, then Clinton has nationwide lockdown and mask policy, however, inside relationship with China means US can secure masks and Chinese testing from China, much earlier than Trump. But extended nationwide lockdown still happens anyway, heavily benefiting Big Tech Bug Business, and China. High death count despite lockdown and mask mandate, since people leave homes with cloth or improperly worn masks not realizing they will still get it. People tire of extended lockdown and vote GOP in 2020.

* a lot of terrorism in Middle East, ISIS still powerful and frequently in the news

* BLM still happens in 2020. Protests and looting still happens, but not really much white Antifa rioting like under Trump (partially funded by China). Bipartisan support for BLM is stronger since the message is not about defunding the police but just ending police brutality.

* Bernie Sanders run third party in 2020 and get a lot of progressive votes

* Dwayne Johnson and Kanye West both enter GOP primary, as both had claimed to run in 2020 back in 2016 when they thought Hilary is their main opponent. Johnson becomes 2020 nominee, and BLM supporters split between him and Sanders, especially since Clinton policies didn’t help blacks.

* Johnson wins 2020, even if no Covid-19, with high BLM support and Trump Channel support. Even more landslide if Covid-19 happens


This is insane but the first funny thing I remember a Republican saying in a while.


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The Pubs getting away stealing the supreme court has now dramatically altered the foundation of our entire country. They don't even need to win elections to force people into their system of beliefs.


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The Pubs getting away stealing the supreme court has now dramatically altered the foundation of our entire country. They don't even need to win elections to force people into their system of beliefs.


It's the 1973 court that forced its views on the whole country by finding a imaginary right to privacy and abortion in the constitution. Allowing states to vote on abortion is far more democratic than forcing every state to make it legal


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It's fucking insane that pro-birth folks can't see their own idiocy. Making abortion legal DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. Just don't get a fucking abortion. Banning abortion affects literally every woman in the country. You're literally taking their rights away from them.

Also, why stop at states rights? Why not counties rights? Cities rights? Towns rights?

How about individual rights? Maybe each individual person can decide if they want an abortion?

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Other people killing their children definitely affects everyone in society. 60 million people legally killed not being here definitely affects everyone. There's a reason Republicans fight so hard against abortion in comparison to say, gay marriage. Lives are not at stake in gay marriage.


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It’s ok to care about causes that don’t directly affect you, such as Chippy supporting BLM

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Republicans need to fight hard for...

-Higher living wages
-Universal health care / Medicare for all
-Common sense gun safety measures (at least 10 people were murdered in Buffalo today)
-Abolishing the death penalty
-Lower life-saving drug costs
-Paid leave / Maternity leave
-Child care / Elderly care
-Free school meals

...if they genuinely care about saving lives. The majority of Republicans don't support / vote against these all the time. How many lives, some that can't do anything to help themselves (children, the elderly, the disabled), are lost as a result? 20,000-45,000 annual deaths (of adults between 24-65) are linked to lack of healthcare in the US alone. This has come down since Obamacare (which the GOP nearly repealed), but it's still way too high. Most of these deaths, in particular, can be prevented, just as they are in every other developed country in the world.

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Corpse wrote:
Republicans need to fight hard for...

-Higher living wages
-Universal health care / Medicare for all
-Common sense gun safety measures (at least 10 people were murdered in Buffalo today)
-Abolishing the death penalty
-Lower life-saving drug costs
-Paid leave / Maternity leave
-Child care / Elderly care
-Free school meals

...if they genuinely care about saving lives. The majority of Republicans don't support / vote against these all the time. How many lives, some that can't do anything to help themselves (children, the elderly, the disabled), are lost as a result? 20,000-45,000 annual deaths (of adults between 24-65) are linked to lack of healthcare in the US alone. This has come down since Obamacare (which the GOP nearly repealed), but it's still way too high. Most of these deaths, in particular, can be prevented, just as they are in every other developed country in the world.


I'd argue inflation also kills people by pushing them to poverty, and extra government spending that it would take to do some of those things would make it worse

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In regards to Buffalo, mass shootings get the media attention but are a tiny fraction of the murders done by criminals who are usually going to use illegal guns that can't get tracked. So I don't see how overreacting to the much less likely event (mass shooting) by making sure the criminals have a monopoly on guns and nobody has any to legally protect themselves from them, is the answer. Not to mention that just because you make it illegal for him to get a rifle doesn't mean it can't end this way anyway, whether he buys a gun illegally, or such as in the quickly buried Waukesha story, finds a different way to mass murder such as running them over.

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The Pubs getting away stealing the supreme court has now dramatically altered the foundation of our entire country. They don't even need to win elections to force people into their system of beliefs.


The media likes to hype up Supreme Court picks by painting them as left or right as it makes it easier to digest to impact they will have, but it is not that simple as is evident by the Supreme Court currently being a major thorn in Trump’s side when it comes to his numerous scandals that the GOP successfully managed to sweep under the rug during his tenure (it is fascinating to see how similar scandals destroyed the careers of Harding and Nixon but have left Trump unscathed this far despite having more scandals than those two combined).

I might disagree with the court, but I have a high respect for them still

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Shack wrote:
Corpse wrote:
Republicans need to fight hard for...

-Higher living wages
-Universal health care / Medicare for all
-Common sense gun safety measures (at least 10 people were murdered in Buffalo today)
-Abolishing the death penalty
-Lower life-saving drug costs
-Paid leave / Maternity leave
-Child care / Elderly care
-Free school meals

...if they genuinely care about saving lives. The majority of Republicans don't support / vote against these all the time. How many lives, some that can't do anything to help themselves (children, the elderly, the disabled), are lost as a result? 20,000-45,000 annual deaths (of adults between 24-65) are linked to lack of healthcare in the US alone. This has come down since Obamacare (which the GOP nearly repealed), but it's still way too high. Most of these deaths, in particular, can be prevented, just as they are in every other developed country in the world.


I'd argue inflation also kills people by pushing them to poverty, and extra government spending that it would take to do some of those things would make it worse


That's true as well, though if people's wages matched the rise of inflation over the years, if they didn't have to worry as much about medical costs, if insulin didn't cost 25-40x the minimum wage, if their kids got free meals at school, etc., inflation wouldn't be such an issue.

The current inflation situation is largely related to cooperate greed that goes unchecked. There's no reason all these companies that have been recording record profits can't keep prices the same or even lower. Trying to squeeze every penny out of the consumer regardless of circumstances is their only goal.

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Probably the exact same thing. It's all kabuki theatre. The US is not a real country anymore and has not been for decades. It's an economic market in service of the interests of a small global elite composed of banking clans, media owners, and other such types. Your vote changes absolutely nothing.

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"If you don't think we should kill babies, you must support socialism!"

Believing in personal responsibility and wanting to protect babies from being murdered are not in conflict with one another.

I'm in support of a bare minimum social safety to prevent people from dying needlessly net but that obviously takes far less precedence than preventing active murder


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If you look closely at the precise demographics/income level/single parent status of who aborts the most, it becomes clear that, statistically speaking, a fairly big number of the aborted babies every year would grow up to be violent criminals, so, while, yes, it's definitely murder and the pretzel logic to try to get away from that fact is ludicrous, it's also like......maybe not so bad after all......maybe....

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The Pubs getting away stealing the supreme court has now dramatically altered the foundation of our entire country. They don't even need to win elections to force people into their system of beliefs.


Your entire political system is all about “forcing people into your system of beliefs”. It is completely unaccountable in any real sense. If you think it’s better than Fascism (or in fact, not worse), you are a fool, or concerned more for your selfish interests (and still a fool). This is not politics or opinion. If you can’t accept that, you are hopelessly unable to make rational decisions or exercise rational judgement about political matters. I mean, I try to play nice by not condemning “democracy” because everything it’s supposed to be isn’t exactly bad. The real world is more complicated. But your political system is indefensible, inexcusable, irredeemable, and unforgivable. It cannot, and has no option whatsoever but recognition and surrender to the truth. And it has no hope, options, power, or future whatsoever either. Complicity will not be tolerated whatsoever by reality or any truly rational being.


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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
The Pubs getting away stealing the supreme court has now dramatically altered the foundation of our entire country. They don't even need to win elections to force people into their system of beliefs.


It's the 1973 court that forced its views on the whole country by finding a imaginary right to privacy and abortion in the constitution. Allowing states to vote on abortion is far more democratic than forcing every state to make it legal

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It's fucking insane that pro-birth folks can't see their own idiocy. Making abortion legal DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. Just don't get a fucking abortion. Banning abortion affects literally every woman in the country. You're literally taking their rights away from them.

Also, why stop at states rights? Why not counties rights? Cities rights? Towns rights?

How about individual rights? Maybe each individual person can decide if they want an abortion?


:funny: Because it’s political of course.

At least they are consistent in not believing in evolution. Because if only they didn’t have abortions, they would have an evolutionary advantage in population growth. Although it does actually make sense from an evolutionary standpoint because it provides substantial leverage to have the ability to sabotage people’s lives. It’s a good investment in terms of political capital. Evolutionary processes don’t require awareness or conscious decision making.


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It’s ok to care about causes that don’t directly affect you, such as Chippy supporting BLM


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Republicans need to fight hard for...

-Higher living wages
-Universal health care / Medicare for all
-Common sense gun safety measures (at least 10 people were murdered in Buffalo today)
-Abolishing the death penalty
-Lower life-saving drug costs
-Paid leave / Maternity leave
-Child care / Elderly care
-Free school meals

...if they genuinely care about saving lives. The majority of Republicans don't support / vote against these all the time. How many lives, some that can't do anything to help themselves (children, the elderly, the disabled), are lost as a result? 20,000-45,000 annual deaths (of adults between 24-65) are linked to lack of healthcare in the US alone. This has come down since Obamacare (which the GOP nearly repealed), but it's still way too high. Most of these deaths, in particular, can be prevented, just as they are in every other developed country in the world.


Blah blah blah blah blah…American history tells you all you need to know about American morality. There is nothing good about any of it whatsoever. Perhaps I’m talking for my species, and this may be offensive to Homo Sapien, or perhaps the potential future species I have named Homo Darwinian (I don’t expect this “species” or “subspecies” to survive until it becomes established; I expect it to go extinct before even becoming a species; it should be expected to die off from population decline, and being absorbed into what remains of Homo Sapien, and my new species). But anyway this may be offensive for your species, but saying it is inevitable and unavoidable. Your irrational morality (all of your morality) is worse than worthless, it’s harmful nonsense. You might think it has something in common with the truth or a true morality. But no, even if that might seem to superficially be the case, they have nothing in common. Thinking your false morality has anything in common whatsoever with any true morality is simpleminded and foolish. It’s also inhuman (as far as I’m concerned or any real and complete member of my species is concerned), intolerable, and unforgivable without complete surrender to the “Goddess of Logic”. But, hey you could ignore all this and wait until your hopeless subspecies is extinct. I don’t expect anyone from your species to suddenly become a member of my species or to become conscious like me. Becoming less like your species and more like mine has been a long process. And while that process began when I was a small child, detaching from everything I had in common with your species was gradual, and extremely painful. But you have destroyed that part of me. Whether it was intentional or not, it is gone. And ultimately you didn’t destroy my identity or consciousness; but yourselves. I don’t really believe in hope, it’s not “human” as I experience it to have “hope”, I depend on realistic, mathematical, and logical certainty; to the extent my species may be “human” it strives for recognition and surrender to truth. But for the sake of any who may follow my history, path, or experience, I hope for, whatever remains or your prior species, that the process is not so painful.


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