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The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back
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Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:38 pm ]
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The one thing that every single member of every single cult agreed on is that they, personally, are not in a cult. No one can brainwash them, they are way too smart for that.

Did she learn nothing from how hard the "basket of deplorables" comment backfired on her?


Also, the poll is ridiculous. AOC is the all-time hottest politician. Easy.
Author:  Shack [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:52 pm ]
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But what if it’s the woke/trans/etc. people in the cult and they’re the ones who don’t know it.
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:04 pm ]
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You can say that some wokeness is a cultish mindset, but they don't have a leader that everybody listens to unconditionally, which is kind of a big part of cults. Liberals are generally too rebellious to get sucked into something like that, although I'm sure there's been examples in history.
Author:  Excel [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 1:17 pm ]
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The biggest difference at the moment is mainstream Dems have been largely pushing back against woke shit for a while, with Biden at the lead. "Woke" as an attack on the left has been dead for a while, as evidenced by DeSantis abandoning it. However, the right is not pushing back against MAGA hard enough. Haley has been most direct and its paid off during the debates but still has not outright rejected the craziness as forcefully as people like Biden pushed back against "defund the police" lunacy or Newsom's latest takes on border security.

Biden might be old, but he is still going to be viewed as safer than Trump by 95% of moderate America and these "He's too woke" claims do nothing for anyone who isn't already in the MAGA bubble.

When your avg. person sees "OMG THE ECONOMY ADDED MORE JOBS THAN EXPECTED ONCE AGAIN!!" as a headline, they do not instantly go "OMG BIDEN SUCKS WITH ECONOMICS".
Author:  Shack [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 2:05 pm ]
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The argument for the right being a cult candidate psychologically is having a clear emotional leader.

The argument for the left being a cult candidate would be all signs are they get off on group identities, they even invent new groups for themselves (gender identities) to have more. Even outside of politics when the young socialist goes home they might be a part of another identity group like being in the Beyhive or being a DC/Marvel fanboy or something. “Social Justice” seems to include self imposed set of rules about how you’re supposed to adjust your behaviour, etc. They believe in a more collectivist economic model instead of the selfish/individualist unfettered capitalism, and when it comes to issues like covid they thought people should have worked together and sacrificed as a group more. They embrace a level of socialization if that makes sense in terms of caring about what “normal” people are into or buzzing about, and enjoy being part of the current social media event.

And yes, there’s tons of “group” people on the right who have right wing beliefs and support Trump for social conformist reasons cause everyone around them in Oklahoma does and Fox News told them to, who believe in Christian ruleset guiding people’s social behaviour, and who are also into the Gen Z style groupism/stanning by being MCU fanboys and part of Morgan Wallen army in their free time, however that’s not really anything specific to Trumpism, probably a higher % of Republicans were like that twenty years ago in establishment Republican era and easy to use group pressure on to make them fired up to invade Iraq for WMDs and give up their privacy for “safety". While there is some people that went in a more cult like direction when it comes to Trumpism or Q, in general I think he’s appealed to stubborn contrarians, the fact that there was so much pressure put on people to hate Trump made them look for reasons to support him more. You can say these people are flawed and sometimes drove themselves too far the other way out of an ego trip to show they’re right and everyone else is wrong (my conservative twitter timeline has some HUGE egos), but I don’t think they’re really into groups enough to be good cult members.
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 3:10 pm ]
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Excel wrote:
The biggest difference at the moment is mainstream Dems have been largely pushing back against woke shit for a while, with Biden at the lead. "Woke" as an attack on the left has been dead for a while, as evidenced by DeSantis abandoning it. However, the right is not pushing back against MAGA hard enough. Haley has been most direct and its paid off during the debates but still has not outright rejected the craziness as forcefully as people like Biden pushed back against "defund the police" lunacy or Newsom's latest takes on border security.

Biden might be old, but he is still going to be viewed as safer than Trump by 95% of moderate America and these "He's too woke" claims do nothing for anyone who isn't already in the MAGA bubble.

When your avg. person sees "OMG THE ECONOMY ADDED MORE JOBS THAN EXPECTED ONCE AGAIN!!" as a headline, they do not instantly go "OMG BIDEN SUCKS WITH ECONOMICS".


I think that inflation and a stagnant stock market is more so what is driving people to think the economy is not doing well’s
Author:  Mr. R [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:38 pm ]
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If I lived in the US, I'd want Trump to win - better economy, safer world, his negotiating skills, no destructive liberal ideology, America first (why the fuck would an average Joe with 25-year mortgage sucking his life out care about Ukraine or Taiwan), and him being taken seriously by the rising non-Western world and tough leaders like Putin, Xi, Kim, Prince Muhammad. Looking at today's news, I've recalled his proposed deal for Palestine in exchange of demilitarization... What did Biden do to prevent all this? The old fuck is around for so long, he knows more about this conflict than any active living politician. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6779741184
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:07 pm ]
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Dude, Trump let the Taliban have their prisoners of war back leading to the collapse of the fragile Afghan government, couldn’t strike a deal with China leading to a farming crisis here in the US and led the national debt to its worst heights. Dude’s a fraud and only good at convincing the gullible he knows what he is doing.
Author:  Mr. R [ Sun Oct 08, 2023 5:12 am ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Dude, Trump let the Taliban have their prisoners of war back leading to the collapse of the fragile Afghan government, couldn’t strike a deal with China leading to a farming crisis here in the US and led the national debt to its worst heights.

Afgan government collapsed after Biden decided to leave it alone against talibs.
And it's not like it was powerless. US-trained and equipped Afgan army just gave up and ran away. Why would you care Afganistan anyway?

Fact check. US national debt by presidents https://www.thebalancemoney.com/us-debt ... nt-3306296
Author:  Excel [ Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:43 am ]
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Mr. R wrote:
If I lived in the US, I'd want Trump to win - better economy, safer world, his negotiating skills, no destructive liberal ideology, America first (why the fuck would an average Joe with 25-year mortgage sucking his life out care about Ukraine or Taiwan), and him being taken seriously by the rising non-Western world and tough leaders like Putin, Xi, Kim, Prince Muhammad. Looking at today's news, I've recalled his proposed deal for Palestine in exchange of demilitarization... What did Biden do to prevent all this? The old fuck is around for so long, he knows more about this conflict than any active living politician. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6779741184


Legit. every point is either wrong or misleading. Not a Biden homer whatsoever but Trump was an objectively average to below average president on policy and government performance during his tenure, and that is all in addition to his endless divisive personality, not to mention his absolutely disastrous post election behavior and pathetic electoral record party wide with him at the help.

Guy doesn't belong within 100 miles of the White House or leading the GOP, there are 1000s of better Repulican candidates - as pretty much ANYONE who Trump EMPLOYED at his White House will tell you based on their first hand experience.

Respectfully, how stupid does one/you have to be to think they are better equipped to assess Trump's presidential capabilities the the very people who worked with him, including his own VP? :funny:

Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
I think that inflation and a stagnant stock market is more so what is driving people to think the economy is not doing well’s


I think much of this non-election year talking point BS which always happens. Networths have gone up dramatically under Biden, that is a fact. I think once the Dem PR machine really gets humming in 2024, they will get a bit more credit for the performance. Biden has had what is widely viewed as a very productive first term, just a matter of time until he gets some real credit.
Author:  Shack [ Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:35 pm ]
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New speaker definitely sounds more right wing than McCarthy
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:06 pm ]
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The Administration sending military aid to Israel and humanatarian aid to Palestine is probably the most level headed solution that could have happened. Another W for The Administration while The Opposition is telling people that standing post on electoral poll sites (aka keeping the undesirables from casting their vote) is more important than actually voting.
Author:  Shack [ Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:10 am ]
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Guessing it’s a coincidence but interesting timing that right after New York mayor Eric Adams went on a Trump like rant criticizing the Democrats illegal immigrants strategy the FBI raided his shit and he got a 30 year old sexual assault accusation like he’s Trump
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:40 pm ]
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Lol at Ohio republicans messing around with the weed and abortion laws that we literally just passed. I guess that's how democracy works now. We vote the same as we always have, but if conservatives don't like the result then the election doesn't count.
Author:  Corpse [ Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:05 pm ]
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The majority of Americans are pro-choice and where abortion has been on the ballot, they've voted in favor of supporting it 100% of the time.

SCOTUS overturned a law that stripped a right away from a majority of Americans that were born and grew up under it. They sent it back to the states, and every state that's done the right thing by putting it on the ballot for the people of that state to decide has voted pro-choice.

The GOP have largely underperformed in 2022 and 2023, and much of this can be linked to the GOP trying to push further abortion bans or restrictions. The RNC has had major fundraising problems since 2022.

It's a clear as day issue: Americans are pro-choice. Abortion has a direct impact on an individual, their friends, and family. And when the government is trying to make these decisions for them, they're going to vote against that even if they might have a negative view of abortion.

So much of the GOP still trying to fight this will continue to bite them in the ass at the polls. Now, as we've seen in Ohio, some state legislatures will even push back against what their voters decide, but it will flip voters against them and push them out of power or unable to enact anti-abortion laws (see Michigan, Kentucky, and Virginia).
Author:  zwackerm [ Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:54 pm ]
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Republicans need to avoid pushing for complete bans outside of the Bible Belt. They need to do like 12 weeks or something in the less red states and 15 in the purple.
Author:  Shack [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:42 pm ]
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It looks like the whole Jack Smith evidence he’s planning to use is just things Trump said/tweeted/etc.
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:57 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
It looks like the whole Jack Smith evidence he’s planning to use is just things Trump said/tweeted/etc.


I went to look up what you said and it is not true. It is part of the evidence, but not the whole of the evidence.
Author:  Excel [ Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:29 pm ]
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Is Shack insinuating that Trump's statements aren't legit evidence? :er:
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:08 am ]
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Excel wrote:
Is Shack insinuating that Trump's statements aren't legit evidence? :er:
Legally, couldn't Trump just say he was playing a character and anyone that took him seriously is an idiot?
Author:  Rev [ Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:07 pm ]
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This fucking guy!

Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:32 pm ]
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I get that the only point of the impeachment is to downplay Trump's impeachments ... but it just seems so damn petty. Will probably end up helping Biden by the end of it.

And just think, if Haley or any other reasonable conservative was running all they would have to do is weaponize the word "Bidenflation" and just watch as voters flocked to them, desperate for anything that will bring prices back down to where they were before the pandemic (it won't happen but that doesn't matter to people looking for hopium.) But nope, they just have to have Trump and thus our country once again becomes a circus.
Author:  Corpse [ Thu Dec 14, 2023 9:07 pm ]
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I'd be willing to bet that for the near future, whenever there are opposing Presidents and House majorities, we'll be seeing impeachment inquiries or impeachment votes. It's an easy, big topic to campaign on back home in districts where the extremes decide who get elected in this climate. It's also a catchy fundraiser message and email subject line to send out.
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:04 am ]
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Yeah…until we cool the political climate, this will be the state of things.
Author:  Flava'd vs The World [ Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:43 pm ]
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And that'll never happen since both parties benefit from the heat. Dems need minorities to believe they're the only thing protecting them from the mean white people and Pubs need christians to believe that they're the only thing protecting them from satanic orgies.
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