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The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back
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Author:  zwackerm [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:44 pm ]
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I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.
Author:  Shack [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:05 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?
Author:  zwackerm [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:38 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?


Until people start dropping like flies after taking a vaccine booster I will take as many boosters as they recommend.
Author:  Shack [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:26 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?


Until people start dropping like flies after taking a vaccine booster I will take as many boosters as they recommend.


Are you ok with it if in a few years everyone has a smartphone that you show at the door to show you're up to date on boosters?

The Democrats think everything is an emergency, there is a climate change emergency, gun violence emergency, racism/police brutality emergency, homelessness emergency, etc. If they're granted total power to fight against covid emergency using things like coercing the population by restricting their ability to work or go places, why wouldn't they use the same powers on other emergencies?
Author:  Alex Y. [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:32 pm ]
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zwackerm wrote:
Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?


Until people start dropping like flies after taking a vaccine booster I will take as many boosters as they recommend.


https://thecovidblog.com/2021/09/08/jam ... ays-later/

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/08/03/mic ... ays-later/

https://medicaltrend.org/2021/08/14/fir ... -thailand/
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:31 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?


Considering Neo Nazis are allowed to legally protest, I highly doubt what you are saying will come to pass, especially as vaccine mandates were non-controversial until recent American history. Like growing up in suburban America, it was just common place. And the Republicans wonder why they are losing the suburban vote
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:32 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?


Until people start dropping like flies after taking a vaccine booster I will take as many boosters as they recommend.


Are you ok with it if in a few years everyone has a smartphone that you show at the door to show you're up to date on boosters?

The Democrats think everything is an emergency, there is a climate change emergency, gun violence emergency, racism/police brutality emergency, homelessness emergency, etc. If they're granted total power to fight against covid emergency using things like coercing the population by restricting their ability to work or go places, why wouldn't they use the same powers on other emergencies?


The Courts.
Author:  Corpse [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:57 pm ]
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Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?


Talk about making everything into some emergency.

And how is anyone crying "right to choose", "my body, my choice" after what's happening in Texas?

I just read a pretty heartbreaking story about unvaccinated pregnant women either dying while pregnant, or having stillbirths (which have more than doubled) thanks to COVID. Why isn't there an effort in GOP-lead states (or conservatives in genera) being made to protect those unborn children's lives? Pregnant women are among the most vulnerable to suffer greatly or die from COVID, along with their unborn child. Vaccinations would sure go a long way in preventing a lot of these needless deaths.
Author:  Shack [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:10 pm ]
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Corpse wrote:
Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?


Talk about making everything into some emergency.


I didn't say they were wrong about whether they're emergencies, however there was a time when people understood the government can't solve every emergency themselves without it backfiring

But yes, I do consider the rise of authoritarianism in the US an emergency
Author:  Excel [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:15 pm ]
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Imagine if these people knew Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. :funny:
Imagine if these people knew martial law was instated in Hawaii post Pearl Harbor. :funny:
Imagine if these people knew we used to mandate military service/probable death. :funny:
Imagine if these people knew the gov already tracks them via their cell phones/social media. :funny:
Imagine if these people knew they already took many vaccines since childhood. :funny:
Imagine if these people knew that 76% of adults have already gotten 1 shot. :funny:
Imagine when these people realize Dems will head in 2022 with Covid dead and economy booming  :funny:
Author:  Shack [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:23 pm ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
Shack wrote:
zwackerm wrote:
I don't support vaccine mandates on principle but I honestly won't lose sleep over it since I am already vaccinated and don't really think there's any logical reason not to take it.


You should be wary because vaccinated conservatives are next on the chopping block to have their rights taken away after unvaccinated ones. Anyone who doesn't follow the new state religion wokeism is likely now on the road to being a 2nd class citizen as long as the government is themselves fervent believers in the religion and unaccepting of heretics.

Furthermore are you willing to take a booster every 6 months forever or else go back to counting as unvaccinated?


Until people start dropping like flies after taking a vaccine booster I will take as many boosters as they recommend.


Are you ok with it if in a few years everyone has a smartphone that you show at the door to show you're up to date on boosters?

The Democrats think everything is an emergency, there is a climate change emergency, gun violence emergency, racism/police brutality emergency, homelessness emergency, etc. If they're granted total power to fight against covid emergency using things like coercing the population by restricting their ability to work or go places, why wouldn't they use the same powers on other emergencies?


The Courts.


For now yes (I don't expect Biden's mandate to stick, or at least not in Republican states fighting it), depends on what happens in future years in terms of if they pack the court etc
Author:  lilmac [ Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:35 pm ]
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Ironfisted responses to this virus outweigh the benefits. We either live with the risks or create greater ones (draconian/fear driven controls, totalitarianism). There is no recourse. The Left’s immersion in socialistic idealism will forever blind them to the dangers.
Author:  Shack [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:21 am ]
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What's the official explanation for there been 4x as many cases and 2x as many deaths in the US compared to a year ago despite vaccination numbers (around 60% overall, 75% adults, 90% seniors). Virus mutated leading unvaccinated people passing it along themselves getting covid 16x more and dying 8x as much or something? Is COVID Frieza?
Author:  stuffp [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:13 am ]
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Should we not take the vaccine because it doesn't stop the spread and only reduces the risk of illness and death?
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:44 am ]
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stuffp wrote:
Should we not take the vaccine because it doesn't stop the spread and only reduces the risk of illness and death?


I think Shack and others are taking a very Libertarian stance on the issue with a fear of an authoritarian future, so it is hardly a left wing/right wing issue on the classic political spectrum and more of an issue between the aforementioned axis. Only thing I think, as Excel pointed out, is that this is hardly that authoritarian considering America’s past has gone far more authoritarian and yet it did not lead to a mythical domino effect. I would argue Trump almost resorting to a coup is far more alarming in transitioning into a dictatorship.
Author:  Shack [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:24 am ]
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stuffp wrote:
Should we not take the vaccine because it doesn't stop the spread and only reduces the risk of illness and death?


There are still a lot of people who think it prevents transmission as much as it does hospitalization, the CDC reports very small % of breakthrough cases. I have seen others use the explanation that the vaccine 90%+ stops transmission but the Delta variant is much more contagious cancelling it out and more leading to twice as many cases worldwide as a year ago despite 2 billion vaccinated people, and 4x as many cases in the US. Not sure if that's true or my theory that vaccinated people spread it as often but aren't being tested unless they go to the hospital.

The entire tenor that the unvaccinated putting others in danger and being the scapegoats preventing the pandemic from ending, is based on them spreading it more by not taking the vaccine. Otherwise the only thing you can really blame them for is "they're filling too many hospital beds" but you could say the same about the obese in normal times.
Author:  Shack [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:16 am ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
stuffp wrote:
Should we not take the vaccine because it doesn't stop the spread and only reduces the risk of illness and death?


I think Shack and others are taking a very Libertarian stance on the issue with a fear of an authoritarian future, so it is hardly a left wing/right wing issue on the classic political spectrum and more of an issue between the aforementioned axis. Only thing I think, as Excel pointed out, is that this is hardly that authoritarian considering America’s past has gone far more authoritarian and yet it did not lead to a mythical domino effect. I would argue Trump almost resorting to a coup is far more alarming in transitioning into a dictatorship.


I'm not sure how anyone could deny a mandate from Biden affecting this many private businesses isn't a "authoritarian move", but if it was on its own maybe I could overlook it. My biggest warning signs for what is happening right now has always been the amount of propaganda and censorship/attack on free speech in this era, the biggest tool of the authoritarian has always been controlling the flow of information and manipulating people to make up for him not acting in their interest. The left simply has never been able to be convinced that the MSM or Big Tech behaviour has been as wretched as conservatives say, though. I personally started to get really deep into the redpill side when I realized the massive hoax that was Russiagate, I can't believe the amount of people the MSM didn't lose after that alone and now that it's over and obvious they were pissing on people and telling them it's raining for years, let alone their repeated behaviour since then.

While the term is usually associated most with who's in charge, in general authoritarianism is also a common word with a suffix on it. If my view is that many people on the far left right now have an extreme level of "appeal to authority" right now, isn't authoritarianism the correct word?
Author:  lilmac [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:45 am ]
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote:
stuffp wrote:
Should we not take the vaccine because it doesn't stop the spread and only reduces the risk of illness and death?


I think Shack and others are taking a very Libertarian stance on the issue with a fear of an authoritarian future, so it is hardly a left wing/right wing issue on the classic political spectrum and more of an issue between the aforementioned axis. Only thing I think, as Excel pointed out, is that this is hardly that authoritarian considering America’s past has gone far more authoritarian and yet it did not lead to a mythical domino effect. I would argue Trump almost resorting to a coup is far more alarming in transitioning into a dictatorship.



The fact that many believe the Jan 6th demonstration represented an armed insurrection capable of taking the reins of power, overthrowing the government just goes to show how widely the divergent the various ‘sides’ are. In all fairness the same goes for the summer of 2020 when entire swaths of major cities in the Northwest became no-go zones. That also happened but the point is, depending on who you talked to you, heard everything from ‘the sky is falling’ to ‘this is an exercise of our free speech rights’
Author:  Darth Indiana Bond [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 2:36 pm ]
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January 6th was an ugly riot at best and an amateur insurrection at worst. The real coup was from figures like Michael Flynn pushing Trump to exercise his position as commander in chief to force another election and Trump actually doing private political shenanigans in Georgia. It didn’t happen, but if I were the GOP I would start propping up figures like DeSantis going forward.
Author:  Shack [ Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:18 pm ]
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What J6 people did was wrong but the worst part is that the US now seems much closer to a country where protesting against the government is considered treason or terrorism if there's violence, which isn't that hard of a concept to make people buy into if you spin it right. This is why there aren't as many protests as in a place like France, the right is completely demoralized and think if counterprotestors like ANTIFA show up and there is violence they will be blamed for it, or the conspiracy theories are paranoid of the FBI setting them up.
Author:  Excel [ Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:12 am ]
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In all seriousness, for the life of me, I cannot fathom how anyone could view a riot in a downtown urban area as the same level threat/warranting the same reaction as a massive riot that happens within the capitol building while congress is in session.

Every elected politician - Republican and Democrat - is not so much a person as much as the embodiment of the will from many, many voters. The idea that a large group of people would try to harm this is 1000x worse than some losers looting a CVS.

They're not the same, not even close to the same, and any insinuation that they are is an absurd reach.
Author:  Shack [ Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:10 am ]
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Excel wrote:
In all seriousness, for the life of me, I cannot fathom how anyone could view a riot in a downtown urban area as the same level threat/warranting the same reaction as a massive riot that happens within the capitol building while congress is in session.

Every elected politician - Republican and Democrat - is not so much a person as much as the embodiment of the will from many, many voters. The idea that a large group of people would try to harm this is 1000x worse than some losers looting a CVS.

They're not the same, not even close to the same, and any insinuation that they are is an absurd reach.


On the other hand the BLM riots were also more widespread, happened the whole year and in many cases more violent with businesses being burned down. So if you go by location the J6 is worse, if you go by duration, violence and deaths the BLM would be worse.

You could also compare J6 to protestors getting in the building during Kavanaugh trial or violence during Trump inauguration as ones directly near political figures.

I doubt the main reason these got much more favorable coverage is that they happened in a difference place or the details were the real difference. It's more that left wing activism is universally treated as heroic by the media, enough to wipe out things like violence or spreading covid.

Some of the violence outside and trying to get in had some bad clips, but scene inside doesn't seem so bad. They don't show you the videos like this on CNN

https://rumble.com/vh9jun-new-video-rev ... eacef.html

Not saying J6 wasn't bad, but it was used politically by the Democrats and partisan media since day 1. The biggest strength of Democrats is they are opportunists who never miss an chance to milk something for political points for all its worth. The people trying to compare 9/11 to it are a joke and GW Bush proved once again he is in the same swamp club as people like Obamas and the Clintons.
Author:  Shack [ Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:55 am ]
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No surprise California is a lost cause. Now it puts the vaccine in its skin or Gavin gets the hose again.
Author:  zwackerm [ Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:05 am ]
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Republicans don't need to win California back to do well nationally, but a decent non Trump candidate could probably make way in the moderate San Diego/Orange/San Bernadino/Fresno County Area that cost Republicans the 40%60% split
Author:  Corpse [ Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:52 am ]
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Seeing lots of people questioning the legality of the vote this morning. Might have to agree looking at some of the shady numbers people are sharing and posting about, especially when they dropped pretty heavily as the night went on.

I agree with Trump when he said Ted Cruz stole the Iowa race, calling him a cheat and a fraud, and called on Iowa to either redo the election or disqualify Cruz. This election should either be redone, be investigated for the obvious fraud, or just tossed completely. Newsom should have *at least* gotten 69%. I saw him drop to 66.6%! (even took a screencap of it!) almost right at midnight (coincidence, or not?), and dropped below 64% overnight while half the country was sleeping.
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