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Good. I like the idea of combatting the rise of Qanon, but once the Pubs get another Qanonite into the white house then their crazy conspiracies would become the the "truth."

For instance, they could say that the Buffalo shooter's manifesto about replacement theory was fake news and that it really is all video game's fault. White supremacy is a hoax and shooting season has nothing to do with guns. It's those damn kids who won't stopping their fortniting and skateboarding on the sidewalks!

The Christian Taliban could also just finish tearing down the barrier between church and state.

Many many bad scenarios.


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Good. I like the idea of combatting the rise of Qanon, but once the Pubs get another Qanonite into the white house then their crazy conspiracies would become the the "truth."

For instance, they could say that the Buffalo shooter's manifesto about replacement theory was fake news and that it really is all video game's fault. White supremacy is a hoax and shooting season has nothing to do with guns. It's those damn kids who won't stopping their fortniting and skateboarding on the sidewalks!

The Christian Taliban could also just finish tearing down the barrier between church and state.

Many many bad scenarios.


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I mean both are right, but one was far more effective. Russia’s military looks idiotic after this war and might be the downfall of Putin

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This country (US) fucking sucks. Another mass shooting at an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, 14 more little kids murdered.

Not to bring all the abortion talk into this, but why in the world is such an effort made to protect those unborn future kids, and then do NOTHING to help prevent them from being murdered in class while they're learning how to finger paint?

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While I think certain issues with the US are overblown, gun violence is a real issue this country faces and there is little done to address it, however I think it is also important to find out the motives of the gunman.

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The suspect is dead (good). I don't even think the motive matters. We always ask that question, but what does it do when we find the answer? We don't make real efforts or changes to address things that may have caused a murderer to act on that motive.

The school seems to have many Hispanic kids, and given the murderer from last week killed 10 black people because he thought they were replacing him, the chances are high this a copycat case of another targeted racist attack. Kill the kids before they replace you, right? Wasn't last week's murderer also 18? Good god.

If the motive comes back to be racism, what will be done about that to help prevent another case? Nothing, of course. There's even a significant chunk of a political party and news sources that promote this stuff.

In a week, after the thoughts and prayers and moments of silence, we'll just go back to waiting for the next school to be shot up and do it all over again.

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I was hoping that as time went on, and voters with outdated ways of thinking began to pass on, I was hoping new generations would vote to address these issues, but sadly I am seeing that Generation Z is not likely to vote for politicians that will address these concerns. Hell the last two murderers were Gen Z. I am beginning to worry we are headed down a dark path, but I try to be optimistic.

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Life begins at conception and ends at second grade.

But for real, blaming the republicans does about as much good as anything they're willing to do. We got the presidency, we got the senate, we got the house and they still get to decide everything.

So what is there to do? Seems like most of the damage was done by a handgun that was stolen from his grandmother (this could be false information though.) None of the common-sense gun regulation would have helped. Can we ban guns in the blue states? We saw that people like Rittenhouse had no problem getting guns across state lines. Do we give everybody, including the children, guns? While that may deter mass murderers, casual shootings would skyrocket anytime people got into a heated argument. There's no good solution other than using the infinity stones to snap all guns (and people who use them against others) out of existence. We as a species can not be trusted with such power. Promotheus fucked up.


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I don’t think the answer is an easy one for sure, but we have not done anything beyond make excuses. But again, I do think we need to wait and see the motive and address that issue as well

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Imagine explaining to your 5-year-old kid the best way to avoid being shot if a shooter comes into their school or classroom. What sort of reality is that, for real? I wouldn't let my kid go to school, honestly. This country just can't protect them, and doesn't even try. I'd quit my job and find something else to do at home while I taught them.

Just saw where, in order to even identify some of the remains of the children (19 dead), the parents are needing to receive DNA swabs. Like... a gun that makes identifying dead children via DNA is needed, why? And making it legal (Texas in this case) to get a gun that can be carried in the open at 18 without a license?

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My 5 year old is supposed to start school this fall. Not really sure what to do.

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It is terrifying and an international embarrassment that this happens so regularly even va when I was a kid just twenty years ago.

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Considering all the schools in the USA, isn't there a very slim chance your child will be in a shooting? Probably less likely than your child getting run over by the school bus.

This type of incident isn't exclusive to the USA, by the way. In China, the preferred way to take out your anger if life deals you a bad hand is to take a knife into a kindergarten and go crazy. This happens more frequently than US school shootings, it's just covered up by the CCP.

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It's just insane and exasperating. Nothing has changed in the decade since Sandy Hook. Nothing! In fact, it's arguably gotten worse.

So heartbroken for the families of these innocent babies.


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The school seems to have many Hispanic kids, and given the murderer from last week killed 10 black people because he thought they were replacing him, the chances are high this a copycat case of another targeted racist attack. Kill the kids before they replace you, right? Wasn't last week's murderer also 18? Good god.

If the motive comes back to be racism, what will be done about that to help prevent another case? Nothing, of course. There's even a significant chunk of a political party and news sources that promote this stuff.


The shooter was hispanic as well dude.


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RIP to all the victims.

“Defund the Police” and schools getting rid of police is just asking for more school shooting tragedies, We need more police presence at schools to keep our students safe.


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The border patrol agent who shot him sounds like a a hero

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I'm excited to watch Beto O'Rourke lose to Greg Abbot in November, but nothing will be as sweet as watching Stacey Abrams lose again to Brian Kemp


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I'm excited to watch Beto O'Rourke lose to Greg Abbot in November, but nothing will be as sweet as watching Stacey Abrams lose again to Brian Kemp
That's your takeaway from all this?


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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
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I'm excited to watch Beto O'Rourke lose to Greg Abbot in November, but nothing will be as sweet as watching Stacey Abrams lose again to Brian Kemp
That's your takeaway from all this?


Talk about tone deaf.

Can the conservatives here actually answer a question for me because I'm honestly curious. The 2A people always jump to "we have a mental health crisis in this country!" when a gun massacre happens. OK, perhaps that is true. It's also not unique to America, which is the only country where these things happen on the reg.

Assuming that premise is true and there's a mental health crisis...what do y'all propose DOING about it? You just say "it's mental health!", completely ignore the role that guns actually play, and then move on without addressing a single thing about it. Thoughts and prayers don't cut it.


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I see that the NRA convention, which Trump is of course speaking it, has itself banned guns... The fucking nerve of these people... I think this goes to show that they really don't give a fuck about the constitution, what they care about is the Gun Industry.

So maybe that is the solution? Let's penalize the people who literally profit off death (gun sales usually go up after tragedies like this.) How about a Death Tax on gun manufactuers/distributors? It will start at 1% and then go up by an additional 1% every time there is a mass shooting. You can be sure that we would start seeing things like background checks, waiting periods and licenses pop up real quickly without needing to federally impose restrictions that would be contrary to the second amendment.

We could also go with Chris Rock's bullet tax idea from 1999. Who could possibly afford to shoot up a school if it cost 20 thousand dollars to do so?


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I'm excited to watch Beto O'Rourke lose to Greg Abbot in November, but nothing will be as sweet as watching Stacey Abrams lose again to Brian Kemp
That's your takeaway from all this?


Talk about tone deaf.

Can the conservatives here actually answer a question for me because I'm honestly curious. The 2A people always jump to "we have a mental health crisis in this country!" when a gun massacre happens. OK, perhaps that is true. It's also not unique to America, which is the only country where these things happen on the reg.

Assuming that premise is true and there's a mental health crisis...what do y'all propose DOING about it? You just say "it's mental health!", completely ignore the role that guns actually play, and then move on without addressing a single thing about it. Thoughts and prayers don't cut it.


This might be the type of tweet you're looking for


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My post had nothing to do with the shooting, however Beto did just continue to be an absolute embarassment and had to be escorted out by security at a press conference Abbott just had to honor the victims.

To answer Libs question, I am in support on universal background checks or whatever, but considering the shooter had no criminal history, such a law would not have prevented this shooting.

The only "gun control" law that would actually have possibly prevented this from happening would be a nationwide gun confiscation/buyback

A better way than taking Americans ability to defend themselves away would be to institute security ala what we have at government buildings, theaters, sports stadiums, etc where we have metal detectors, bag searches and armed guards at the entrances to schools.


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Regardless of what the cause of school shootings is (I'd guess it was somewhere in the middle of US having different psychology than other countries and there being more guns available) I don't really see how it makes sense to use them to influence gun laws when they represent such a small % of murders. I think Chicago had like 7x as many murders in 2021 as the last 10 years of US school shootings or something, and not just adults who signed up for the drug game, but a lot of innocents and kids caught in the crossfire too. If someone wants to argue that gun control is best way to stop murders in in inner cities, ok, but it's a different discussion, and imo makes less sense because criminals aren't going to have legal guns as often as school shooters.

That's before considering whether it would even really work to ban guns to stop school shootings. Nobody really talks about the attempted school shootings that were stopped because someone with a gun took them out first, are we positive that gun laws are going to do a better job preventing them than an adult with a gun? You could argue one of the reasons school shootings happen is they intentionally choose one of the least likely places someone has a gun, this shooting was in Texas, think if he tries to mass murder people at a supermarket he lasts long before someone caps him? Plus even if guns were banned, kids could get their hands on their parents illegally owned ones, or find another way to mass murder.

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