The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back
The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back
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Corpse
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Re: The Biden era: The Establishment Strikes Back
The Government should, at minimum, be able to provide shelter, food, clothing, and essential medical needs for all their citizens for free. Yes, you can argue that everyone has the opportunity to provide for themselves, and sure, they do, but that doesn't mean those that are struggling to do so for any number of reasons should just be ignored.
And the people who get mad, upset, that the poor are being given "free" stuff like shelter, food, or clothing, when they had to work hard for all they have need to, well, shut the fuck up. Good for you, I mean. You worked and earned what you have. Congrats, really. Now, there are likely factors beyond working hard that got you where you are, stuff that you probably had no say in (such as a getting an insurmountable advantage by being born where you were, or to who you were born to, or as), so good job winning the lottery.
You should be living your best life and celebrating it. So, why are you complaining that those in need are being helped / asking for help? Because you may have to chip in a small fraction of your earnings, earnings that you wouldn't even know is missing, each year to help provide for them? Can't share a bit of your luck that others have no say in achieving? If you have a roof over your head, a full belly, and clean clothing, you're not going to be affected by helping your fellow humans out. And if you have transportation, internet, and health insurance, you're living the luxurious life, my friend. And no one's asking you to give that all up.
Everyone may have the opportunity to provide for themselves but some start with a major advantage, while others are only able to cling to the hope of climbing higher.
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Shack
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For me capitalism is the best thing that ever happened to poor people. And why poor people from socialist countries so often dream of moving to capitalist ones like the US or pack the border. Making money and owning things allows them to change their situation. Food stamps is just treading water, which in some cases is necessary and I support a little bit of welfare, but not enough to be comfortable not working.
Obviously if Republicans didn't speak to poor people, there wouldn't have been so much non college educated working class support for Trump the last two elections.
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Chippy
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Corpse wrote: The Government should, at minimum, be able to provide shelter, food, clothing, and essential medical needs for all their citizens for free. Yes, you can argue that everyone has the opportunity to provide for themselves, and sure, they do, but that doesn't mean those that are struggling to do so for any number of reasons should just be ignored.
And the people who get mad, upset, that the poor are being given "free" stuff like shelter, food, or clothing, when they had to work hard for all they have need to, well, shut the fuck up. Good for you, I mean. You worked and earned what you have. Congrats, really. Now, there are likely factors beyond working hard that got you where you are, stuff that you probably had no say in (such as a getting an insurmountable advantage by being born where you were, or to who you were born to, or as), so good job winning the lottery.
You should be living your best life and celebrating it. So, why are you complaining that those in need are being helped / asking for help? Because you may have to chip in a small fraction of your earnings, earnings that you wouldn't even know is missing, each year to help provide for them? Can't share a bit of your luck that others have no say in achieving? If you have a roof over your head, a full belly, and clean clothing, you're not going to be affected by helping your fellow humans out. And if you have transportation, internet, and health insurance, you're living the luxurious life, my friend. And no one's asking you to give that all up.
Everyone may have the opportunity to provide for themselves but some start with a major advantage, while others are only able to cling to the hope of climbing higher. This. Also, Capitalism is good for the rich. That's it. It serves no other purpose than to enrich the already rich. It is far more likely that someone in the middle class become poor, hell probably poverty, than it is they become rich. And that's Capitalism working exactly as designed. In fact, we're lucky there's even still a middle class. Capitalism is destroying that.
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Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:01 pm |
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Shack
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Chippy wrote: This.
Also, Capitalism is good for the rich. That's it. It serves no other purpose than to enrich the already rich. It is far more likely that someone in the middle class become poor, hell probably poverty, than it is they become rich. And that's Capitalism working exactly as designed. In fact, we're lucky there's even still a middle class. Capitalism is destroying that. If capitalism is for the rich, why are there more people starving in Venezuela and North Korea than in the US? And yes there are some places on the earth that are going to be destitute no matter what system people choose, but neither of those are one of them, Venezuela is sitting on tons of oil and used to be doing well, and North Korea is right next to South Korea who chose capitalism and are doing great. And the entire reason the middle class was created in the first place was capitalism, before that it was lords and peasants.
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Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:08 pm |
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Flava'd vs The World
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The best part about capitalism is the concept that anyone is capable of Economic Mobility.
But that doesn't seem an apt way to describe the US anymore. The powers that be keep rich people rich even when they make huge mistakes and they keep poor people poor even when they work hard and make good life decisions. Republicans seem to be totally cool with this push towards Oligarchy (a theocratical one at that) where people are encouraged to hoard their wealth while others starve.
I don't wanna eat the rich, I just want the poor to eat. Encourage the rich to spend their money and we won't need to keep printing more of it.
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Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:18 pm |
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Shack
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Flava'd vs The World wrote: [The best part about capitalism is the concept that anyone is capable of Economic Mobility.
But that doesn't seem an apt way to describe the US anymore. The powers that be keep rich people rich even when they make huge mistakes and they keep poor people poor even when they work hard and make good life decisions. It's true that rich people buy off politicians and that this is a problem, however I'm not sure whether this is one that's owned by either capitalism or the Republicans. If you give the government more power, rich people can get even more value out of buying them off. When the government lends to the banks at 0% interest rates, and then bails them out when the housing market collapses that's not capitalism's fault. The capitalist system should de-incentivize financial corruption because it's not good for business to be known for ripping people off. Not to mention bad deals are not supposed to be good for the bank, why give a loan to someone who can't pay it back? But when you pick up the profit and the government takes the loss that's when it becomes a win win to give out housing loan to someone who can't afford it. Leftists like the Occupy ones ten years ago look at a situation like that and think "Wall Street greedy!" Yes, they are greedy, but the greed can be harvested for good in a normal situation. The bigger problem is when politicians greedy and the fact that in the modern election system whoever has the most money in campaigns is essential. There is no system that's going to eliminate sociopathic greedy people exploiting others. Communism claims to believe in classless society yet the end result is it being a hustle where Kim Jong Il was the world's #1 Hennessey customer, Mao had 50 estates and had gourmet food and lobster flown in every night, Chavez was the richest person in Venezuela, etc., meanwhile while they lived like kings their populations literally starved to death. Capitalism at least harnesses power hungry sociopaths for good leading to people like Bezos and Gates creating valuable services for the world.
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Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:35 pm |
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zwackerm
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I'm not anti tax or anti any sort of social program, but generally money is wasted by the government rather than actually spent on helping people.
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Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:46 pm |
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Shack
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Shack
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Very reckless to talk about a country with nukes like this. Not to mention it will probably make Putin more popular in Russia if anything.
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Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:24 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Should Biden be more supportive of Putin like Trump?
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Flava'd vs The World
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Will Biden send weapons and money to Chris Rock?
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Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:02 am |
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zwackerm
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Elon Musk may buy 100% of twitter lol
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Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:17 am |
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Shack
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It's being reported Twitter is going to accept
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:39 am |
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zwackerm
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Can't wait lol
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:51 am |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Not much will change under Musk, I think Qanon will be disappointed and start accusing Musk of being a pedophile
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zwackerm
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: Not much will change under Musk, I think Qanon will be disappointed and start accusing Musk of being a pedophile Speak it into existence, DIB. There will obviously be lots of change at Twitter or all the blue checks would not be losing their minds
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:41 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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I never understood why so many Leftists hated Elon as he is a huge fighter in the battle against climate change, outspokenly pro-choice, and a huge supporter for LGBTQ rights
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Shack
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: I never understood why so many Leftists hated Elon as he is a huge fighter in the battle against climate change, outspokenly pro-choice, and a huge supporter for LGBTQ rights Climate change yes but I think that's overstating his view on abortion and LGBTQ, I don't think he has made his views super clear on either but if you google Elon Musk abortion you get a result about how he said he liked Texas "social views", and while I assume he supports gay marriage he has made fun of the pronoun stuff on twitter sometimes. He called woke a mind virus last week. Musk is a great person to own twitter imo as he appears to be in the middle politically. The question is what happens if Trump gets reinstated? There is a chance he realizes not tweeting is better for him right now anyways and doesn't come back. Then again he was addicted to twitter many years before he got into politics.
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:58 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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I read somewhere he thought about leaving Texas after their recent abortion laws were passed
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Flava'd vs The World
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So if Elon unbans Trump, and Trump is successful in organizing another attack on our country ... how much legal responsibility does he have for that?
It's going to be zero. He's too rich to held accountable by any court or even the court of public opinion.
What happens when he bans the guy who tracks his personal flight records?
There are reasons to be concerned. Elon will do things that are good for Elon just like all billionaires as we truly are heading towards a world where the same ten dudes own everything. When can we start using the word oligarch to describe America's rich?
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:33 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: I read somewhere he thought about leaving Texas after their recent abortion laws were passed Never mind, I just read he didn’t speak up in the law with some articles stating he supported the law. Seems odd compared to previous articles I recall reading
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zwackerm
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: I never understood why so many Leftists hated Elon as he is a huge fighter in the battle against climate change, outspokenly pro-choice, and a huge supporter for LGBTQ rights You don't as someone on the right or left, have to agree with everything that the right or left believes, nor dislike everyone on the opposing side. For example, I think Tulsi Gabbard is a great person even if I disagree with her political views. I think Mitt Romney is a terrible politician despite there being an (R) after his name. Musk is liberal in some ways, but clearly more libertarian than most left leaning billionaires, politicians and elites, and clearly disapproves of the incredibly biased and ridiculous way that Twitter is censored
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:34 pm |
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Darth Indiana Bond
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I am not sure Elon unbans Trump.
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zwackerm
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Darth Indiana Bond wrote: I am not sure Elon unbans Trump. Maybe not Trump, but at least some people for sure
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Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:33 pm |
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Chippy
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zwackerm wrote: For example, I think Tulsi Gabbard is a great person even if I disagree with her political views. I think Mitt Romney is a terrible politician despite there being an (R) after his name.
Musk is liberal in some ways, but clearly more libertarian than most left leaning billionaires, politicians and elites, and clearly disapproves of the incredibly biased and ridiculous way that Twitter is censored This is the funniest shit I've ever read. Just completely delusional. My god dude.
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