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Why is a failed business owner’s loan less important to relieve than a student’s? Or are the Democrats just more interested in funding the group that votes for them?

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Why is a failed business owner’s loan less important to relieve than a student’s? Or are the Democrats just more interested in funding the group that votes for them?


You are insinuating that Republicans are not affected by the student loan problem ? Because that's absurd, obviously. You are asking the wrong question and trying to make this is a theoretical conversation based on philosophy rather then a pragmatic conversation based in reality.

The amount of failed business loans is about 1/500th the total of the amount of failing student loans. The Federal gov is responsible for high level big picture problems. The problems that are occurring and will worsen due to the debt crisis affect everybody everywhere. We need these people buying homes, consuming goods, adding too 401Ks. Every time they pay money and interest to the government - instead of putting that money into the economy - it affects everyone. This a massive macro issue that is affecting pretty much everyone in some way, even some people are too ignorant to fully understand it. The failed business loan problem is...not affecting everyone in some way.

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Why is a failed business owner’s loan less important to relieve than a student’s? Or are the Democrats just more interested in funding the group that votes for them?


You are insinuating that Republicans are not affected by the student loan problem ? Because that's absurd, obviously. You are asking the wrong question and trying to make this is a theoretical conversation based on philosophy rather then a pragmatic conversation based in reality.

The amount of failed business loans is about 1/500th the total of the amount of failing student loans. The Federal gov is responsible for high level big picture problems. The problems that are occurring and will worsen due to the debt crisis affect everybody everywhere. We need these people buying homes, consuming goods, adding too 401Ks. Every time they pay money and interest to the government - instead of putting that money into the economy - it affects everyone. This a massive macro issue that is affecting pretty much everyone in some way, even some people are too ignorant to fully understand it. The failed business loan problem is...not affecting everyone in some way.


A business owner is just one example, but there are tons of people in debt for reasons unrelated to school whether it's for things like houses, cars or just riding up your credit card. It doesn't seem that fair to me to pick out one reason for debt and forgive it but not the others.

And the #1 split between Democrats and Republicans is education level, whether you believe that's because of intelligence or because of indoctrination. On the list of states by % people with bachelor degree it’s almost all Biden voting states on the top and Trump voting ones at the bottom.

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A business owner is just one example, but there are tons of people in debt for reasons unrelated to school whether it's for things like houses, cars or just riding up your credit card. It doesn't seem that fair to me to pick out one reason for debt and forgive it but not the others.


No other singular loan type has anything resembling the effect on the masses student loans. Those are ridiculous comps, shack.

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And the #1 split between Democrats and Republicans is education level, whether you believe that's because of intelligence or because of indoctrination. On the list of states by % people with bachelor degree it’s almost all Biden voting states on the top and Trump voting ones at the bottom.


I mean, I am not saying that, but...unless we think everyone can simply go to trade school or be unemployed...

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And we flipped the TX 34 congressional district by an 8% margin despite a Cook PVI of D+5!


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Pretty obvious that inflation is being mostly spurred by pent up demand from years of lockdowns mixed with extremely low supply due to the same lockdowns and the supply chain issues. But yeah, pumping a bunch of money only increases demand and people’s willing to buy, so it is bad timing, but it is not the root cause.

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I think there is a variety of factors, covid being the biggest, but either way calling Putin's war the biggest reason is propaganda nonsense

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It is not the cause no. How Biden is handling the war has certainly been the strength of his administration

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Biden is going to do a tax break on gas. Not sure how much this will help with the issue is of supply and demand. Lowering the prices artificially will just re-increase demand which will in turn drive prices back up countering the tax break

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It's not a good move politically since, if it passes Congress (huge if), the tax will be added back sometime in October (the media is saying Sept., but this Congress is NOT getting this done before their recess in July, and they won't suspend their days off at any cost) which will shoot gas prices up a sudden 0.18c-0.50c (up to that in states that have already implemented or will implement their own tax break). Doing something like that a month (or less) before midterms? Oof.

It's barely a "good" move, really. I'm driving ~1,400 miles next month and wouldn't mind paying a *little* less, but a tax break would only save me like $12 (at 0.20c off the national average).

Gas rebate cards are probably a better idea? It's also a relatively minor "assist", but the idea of adding the tax back on and shooting prices up after a temporary "break" just sounds bad to me before midterms.

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I think there is a variety of factors, covid being the biggest, but either way calling America's Rescue Plan the biggest reason is propaganda nonsense

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I think the tax break would save the gas companies more money than the consumers. They can just raise the prices to where they were before including the tax, and save the money themselves. So it would be a positive but not really in the way it's being sold.

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The left would have you believe that defining "crazy person" (to determine who can have a gun) is easier than defining a woman.

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The Supreme Court struck down a New York law that restricted carrying guns in public.


....So what the heck happened to state's rights? Yet another example of the regressive right's hypocrisy.


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The Supreme Court struck down a New York law that restricted carrying guns in public.


....So what the heck happened to state's rights? Yet another example of the regressive right's hypocrisy.


It's almost like you don't know the Supreme Court's job is to uphold the constitution, not protect state's rights.

There is no right to abortion in the constitution. There is a right to bear arms.


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Roe v Wade decision could come tomorrow

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The Democrats dissent starts off by saying

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JUSTICE BREYER, with whom JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR and JUSTICE KAGAN join, dissenting. In 2020, 45,222 Americans were killed by firearms. See Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Fast Facts: Firearm Violence Prevention (last updated May 4, 2022) (CDC, Fast Facts), https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/ ... tfact.html. Since the start of this year (2022), there have been 277 reported mass shootings—an average of more than one per day. See Gun Violence Archive (last visited June 20, 2022), https://www.gunviolence archive.org. Gun violence has now surpassed motor vehicle crashes as the leading cause of death among children and adolescents. J. Goldstick, R. Cunningham, & P. Carter, Current Causes of Death in Children and Adolescents in the United States, 386 New England J. Med. 1955 (May 19, 2022) (Goldstick). Many States have tried to address some of the dangers of gun violence just described by passing laws that limit, in various ways, who may purchase, carry, or use firearms of different kinds. The Court today severely burdens States’ efforts to do so. It invokes the Second Amendment to strike down a New York law regulating the public carriage of concealed handguns. In my view, that decision rests upon several serious mistakes.


Isn't the Supreme Court's job merely to interpret the constitution? What does the number of shootings or mass shootings have to do with that?

It's clear these three judges no are no longer interested in approaching the job that way. They are just utilitarian activists now. All their decisions will be directed by what the left wing consensus believes is the greater good.

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If the Supreme Court simply interprets the ancient constitution, just imagine the rulings. You could throw people behind bars for any reason you like, for example. No innocent until proven guilty. No jury of your peers. Every state could ban marriage outright (not just same-sex, but every marriage) if some case saying marriage was unconstitutional (because it is if interpreted by text only) reached them.

The list of things that could be done because of the constitution's own faults (or lack of text), and those from not being able to read 250 years into the future can get staggering.

The world has changed so much since the 18th century. How many mass shootings were there in 1787? How many fourth graders were obliterated while in class? Blame it on government for not amending the constitution to keep up with the times if you want, or what the Supreme Court's job details, but solely interpreting ancient text as law of modern times is irresponsible.

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I think the idea is that the Constitution is a living document, amendments CAN be added and have been to address changing times. Problem is, our country is so divided and largely always has been, so it takes very specific circumstances (like in the 1960s), a Civil War shutting out one side of the argument (the 13th and 14th amendments), or a Herculean effort to get anything changed to the Constitution.

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Flava'd vs The World wrote:
The Supreme Court struck down a New York law that restricted carrying guns in public.


....So what the heck happened to state's rights? Yet another example of the regressive right's hypocrisy.


It's almost like you don't know the Supreme Court's job is to uphold the constitution, not protect state's rights.

There is no right to abortion in the constitution. There is a right to bear arms.
And where does it say anything about concealed carrying? If we are to interpret the second amendment literally than any private citizen should be able to arm themselves with any piece of weaponry the military possesses. Yet do we see people stockpiling nuclear weapons or having an entourage made up of assault drones with missile launchers attached? No, because there is room for non-literal interpretation of the amendment.

The Republicans do not give a shit about protecting the constitution. They give a shit about protecting the Gun Industry, more specifically the millions and millions and millions of dollars that said gun industry donates to their campaigns.


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She went full Fund the Police. Maybe she can carve out moderate Democrat role by 24 but it seems like everyone assumes she's super left wing because progressives latched onto her, even though I'm not sure there was a ton of reason to, so it may be hard to convince them otherwise.

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How does preventing concealed carry prevent gun deaths? Even if you don't like assault weapons or whatever, explain how restricting concealed carry prevents gun deaths. By nature, if someone wanted to kill people using a gun, restricting concealed carry would not stop them from doing so anyway.


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If the Supreme Court simply interprets the ancient constitution, just imagine the rulings. You could throw people behind bars for any reason you like, for example. No innocent until proven guilty. No jury of your peers. Every state could ban marriage outright (not just same-sex, but every marriage) if some case saying marriage was unconstitutional (because it is if interpreted by text only) reached them.

The list of things that could be done because of the constitution's own faults (or lack of text), and those from not being able to read 250 years into the future can get staggering.

The world has changed so much since the 18th century. How many mass shootings were there in 1787? How many fourth graders were obliterated while in class? Blame it on government for not amending the constitution to keep up with the times if you want, or what the Supreme Court's job details, but solely interpreting ancient text as law of modern times is irresponsible.


I think truly ridiculous state laws would have bipartisan opposition and could get amendments passed. If they couldn't get 2/3 of the country on board with something, that means its not popular enough to prevent states from regulating it.


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Yeah, it is smart. Never have I disagreed more with “The Left” more than with Defund the Police. This whole movement nearly ruined the Democrats in 2020’in what should have been a slam dunk year for them. Even if your argument is to reallocate funds from the police to other services, factions of the movement were even making the case that the police should be abolished all together. It was utterly naive.

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