Saleh is back in Yemen. Assad says he is not worried. I think both will remain until the end of the year.
Egypt is allied with the US, and Libya required a war.
I'm just saying...guns are hard to argue with.
EDIT: Saleh will resign in days.
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| Author: | MovieDude [ Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | The Arab Spring |
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/06/05 ... ns-leader/ It is now Yemen's president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, who has fled his country. He apparently was injured in a severe attack on his palace that killed at least seven guards. There are rumors that wood is embedded in his body. He is seeking treatment in Saudi Arabia, and is unlikely to return. So after months, the Arab Spring has pushed out a third dictator. Whose next? Qaddafi? Syria's equally evil Bashar al-Assad? Will there be a nation named Palestine first? And after that, where else? There's many countries that are still having major protests but have been less covered by the media, such as Iraq. Not that I think we Americans will let that happen, and I'm not sure if the Iraqis would really want to be that unstable next to Iran, either. |
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| Author: | MovieDude [ Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Also, I wonder what precedent this might create for the people to use violence against their leaders? I don't know what else would have gotten Saleh to leave the country. I guess it will depend on if this actually causes his regime to collapse or not. |
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| Author: | MovieDude [ Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
http://aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/20 ... 28416.html |
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| Author: | nghtvsn [ Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
The guy was going to step down in 30 days but these separatists have to have everything their own way. I love how NATO continues killing Libyans while Syria has killed more civilians than quaddafi during the rebellion he's been dealing with. Luckily for Syria they don't have oil to hold Europe hostage with so NATO has no reason to bomb them all day long even though their leaders are actually shooting down civilians. Regardless, I think we shouldn't be interfering in any of these Arab countries internal affairs . |
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| Author: | MovieDude [ Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Another good article on the who's who in this developing story in Yemen: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/05-0 An Egyptian friend of mine told me that both Yemen and Syria WILL topple their regimes in less than six months. At this point, with the state of the media and the momentum this movement has built, I believe it's only a matter of time before Bashar is ousted from Syria too. However, at least Thomas Friedman believes that would have a more serious impact on the region than the others: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/opini ... ria&st=cse "This is a fight to the death now — and it’s the biggest show on earth, for one very simple reason: Libya implodes, Tunisia implodes, Egypt implodes, Yemen implodes, Bahrain implodes — Syria explodes. The emergence of democracy in all these other Arab countries would change their governments and have long-term regional implications. But democracy or breakdown in Syria would change the whole Middle East overnight. A collapse or democratization of the Syrian regime would have huge ramifications for Lebanon, a country Syria has controlled since the mid-1970s; for Israel, which has counted on Syria to keep the peace on the Golan Heights since 1967; for Iran, since Syria is Iran’s main platform for exporting revolution into the Arab world; for the Lebanese Shiite militia Hezbollah, which gets rockets from Iran via Syria; for Turkey, which abuts Syria and shares many of its ethnic communities, particularly Kurds, Alawites and Sunnis; for Iraq, which suffered from Syria serving as a conduit for jihadist suicide bombers; and for Hamas, whose leader sits in Damascus. |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Thomas Friedman's a total hack. But yes, Syria going would be almost as massive as the Saudis or UAE being toppled. |
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| Author: | MovieDude [ Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Why is Friedman a hack? The Arab Spring kind of proves the thesis of his book The World is Flat, and he's consistently outspoken on the Middle East and energy policy. I don't hear anyone else articulate the connection between the two as well as him even though it's entirely valid. |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
He's a horrendous writer who comes up with the most hideous metaphors imaginable, and not a terribly original thinker. His writings on China and globalization are almost fetishistic and his work on Iraq shows the lack of foresight and unwillingness to be wrong that he and most Anglo-American "public intellectuals" in the media have right now. I also love his waffling on energy policy. |
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| Author: | Caius [ Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Tyler wrote: Thomas Friedman's a total hack. But yes, Syria going would be almost as massive as the Saudis or UAE being toppled. Totally agree. Matt Taibi had a great takedown of Friedman two or three years ago. Disagree with 80% of what Krugman says, but at least he is readable and can usually argue his side well. |
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| Author: | MovieDude [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
I don't want to speak too soon (as it looks like I did with Yemen) but signs are encouraging that Qaddafi is done. I'm not sure if he's now in Algeria as BBC is suggesting or what, but the rebels seem to pretty definitively control of Tripoli. Next up, Syria. It won't happen overnight, but I think Bashar Assad will be out by the end of the year. |
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| Author: | Jedi Master Carr [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
I say good riddance Gaddafi is an evil man and what replaces him can't be worse (unless it goes into anarchy). I think he is still in Libya. If not in Tripoli, he is probably in the south in one of the desert communities. |
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| Author: | Bradley Witherberry [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Jedi Master Carr wrote: I say good riddance Gaddafi is an evil man and what replaces him can't be worse... You're imagination needs exercising - - don't be surprised if the future sets new standards for evil governments, both in Libya and closer to home. |
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| Author: | FILMO [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
News say that the rebels are now inside Gaddafis palace. Though no Gaddafi there. |
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| Author: | Jedi Master Carr [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Yeah CNN has the best coverage of it, and are showing the inside of the compound. Some of these rebels are crazy though shooting off guns everywhere and even RPGs in celebration. |
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| Author: | Bradley Witherberry [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Rebels are terrorists we like, right? |
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| Author: | Chippy [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
No. |
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| Author: | Bradley Witherberry [ Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Chippy wrote: No. Oh really? |
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| Author: | Chippy [ Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Oh really what? |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
To a conservative, Muslim = Terrorist. They's practically synonyms. And Christians are never terrorists, no matter how many children they camps they shoot up in Norway, Holocaust museums they attack, Federal buildings in Oklahoma they bomb, or abortion doctors they murder in the name of their god. In all seriousness, I agree that the threat of Muslim extremists is greater than that of Christian extremists. But all Muslims are not terrorists because of the actions of some of their followers any more than all Christians are. |
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| Author: | Proud Ryu [ Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
McVeigh was not motivated by religion - but rather by anti-government sentiment. The same was basically true of Breivik - Christianity played a more distant role in his act. Also, there is no street in the world filled with celebrations of folks like Breivik and McVeigh. Support for martyrdom is overwhelming in the Islamic world. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Proud Ryu wrote: McVeigh was not motivated by religion - but rather by anti-government sentiment. The same was basically true of Breivik - Christianity played a more distant role in his act. Also, there is no street in the world filled with celebrations of folks like Breivik and McVeigh. Support for martyrdom is overwhelming in the Islamic world. I agree. But it's not universal. Not every Muslim agrees any more than every Christian agrees. That's the point -- when you paint ALL Muslims like that, it's inexcusable. And McVeigh got lots of support from a right-wing Christian group even though he himself may not have been motivated my religion; and if you start saying religion plays a "distant role" to all of these things I could easily make a similar argument about most of the Muslim attacks (with the exception of those "you drew a picture of Muhammad" attacks) |
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| Author: | DP07 [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
Saleh is back in Yemen. Assad says he is not worried. I think both will remain until the end of the year. Egypt is allied with the US, and Libya required a war. I'm just saying...guns are hard to argue with. EDIT: Saleh will resign in days.
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| Author: | DP07 [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
The libyan army was lead by islamists, some of whom were listed by the US as terrorists before, but that doesn't make the army terrorist (or the US right in the past). |
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| Author: | Mannyisthebest [ Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
http://news.yahoo.com/gadhafi-libyas-le ... 12662.html Gadhafi, Libya's leader for 42 years, killed Another one bites the dust... |
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| Author: | Argos [ Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Another victory for the Arab Spring |
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