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| Author: | Grill [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
So as one who was very vocal about not expecting him to do a very good job. Which he has shown with lots of horrible choices and ideas. What can you list as totally positive things that he has done as President ... as all I can see is the nightmare that his Presidency has brought. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Grill wrote: So as one who was very vocal about not expecting him to do a very good job. Which he has shown with lots of horrible choices and ideas. What can you list as totally positive things that he has done as President ... as all I can see is the nightmare that his Presidency has brought. That's only because you're so biased you can't accept the good things, or will find ways to say "Obama didn't do that, Congress did" or otherwise find ways around it. Most of what he's done is undoing the damage done by 8 years of Bush, including improving our reputation in the world. Then he also stopped us from having another Great Depression, which every economist agrees upon (except those employed by Republicans). Here's a good article that you will ignore and demean because you disagree: http://www.slate.com/id/2236708 |
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| Author: | Akaky [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Obama is the best black president ever. |
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| Author: | Grill [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Groucho wrote: Grill wrote: So as one who was very vocal about not expecting him to do a very good job. Which he has shown with lots of horrible choices and ideas. What can you list as totally positive things that he has done as President ... as all I can see is the nightmare that his Presidency has brought. That's only because you're so biased you can't accept the good things, or will find ways to say "Obama didn't do that, Congress did" or otherwise find ways around it. Most of what he's done is undoing the damage done by 8 years of Bush, including improving our reputation in the world. Then he also stopped us from having another Great Depression, which every economist agrees upon (except those employed by Republicans). Here's a good article that you will ignore and demean because you disagree: http://www.slate.com/id/2236708 Wrong...as I will read and comment on it later when I have a chance. and that is why I gave everyone here an open forum to praise his good projects. |
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| Author: | Grill [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Ok, Skimmed it quickly as I am going out... First, Lets forget about Bush as Obama is the President and if he didn't want to take the job of turning round the country, he should have quit! And Bush had one of the hardest jobs to deal with for the 9/11/2001 incident. Now on Obama, I thought that gignatic stimulus plan was suppose to bring jobs. And as expected it isn't. So how much wasted money was given away. And then the half-hearted stabs on unemployment, medical, housing, credit cards and nothing on social security. I have a friend who didn't need the housing/car benefit but since they gave them away without any income testing he took them. New York is always the target of terror but New York gets its funding cut. Obama promises he is on the oil spill and will clean up every drop of dirty water, what a joke, but he checks in 3 times over 6 weeks and then starts ragging after Spike Lee gets on him. How is the shutdowns of the wars going? How is the budget? Love the no comments on the killings in international waters. AND IMMIGRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just some opening questions.... |
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| Author: | Caius [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Groucho wrote: Most of what he's done is undoing the damage done by 8 years of Bush, including improving our reputation in the world. Then he also stopped us from having another Great Depression, which every economist agrees upon (except those employed by Republicans). My sources say that he also stopped the earth from crashing into the sun because all evidence shows that we have not crashed into the sun. The thing most economists agree about is TARP, which occurred under Bush and was passed under that Congress (I agree that Obama would have done the same). If you are submitting that the Stimulus package[s] stopped a great depression, then I think you might find many fewer economists agree. Why was it so easy for Bush to deregulate the oil industry (as Ashton Kutcher informs us and Ed Shultz hammers home) and so difficult for Obama to undue those changes? |
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| Author: | Akaky [ Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:07 pm ] |
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Grill wrote: Obama promises he is on the oil spill and will clean up every drop of dirty water, what a joke, but he checks in 3 times over 6 weeks and then starts ragging after Spike Lee gets on him. Do believe Obama meant to fix the leak with his bare hands? Whatever he does or should be doing he doesn't need to be there to do it. |
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| Author: | Grill [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:14 am ] |
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Akaky wrote: Grill wrote: Obama promises he is on the oil spill and will clean up every drop of dirty water, what a joke, but he checks in 3 times over 6 weeks and then starts ragging after Spike Lee gets on him. Do believe Obama meant to fix the leak with his bare hands? Whatever he does or should be doing he doesn't need to be there to do it. For starters. Sending a qualified team down there to be on point. Daily updates to him. More and Better updates from him. Not going off after Spike Lee gets on him. And more than 3 visits considering how bad it is. |
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| Author: | Jim Halpert [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:37 am ] |
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why would he need more visits? that's ridiculous. he can accomplish what he needs to accomplish in washington. He's not the one that is going to swim down with a blow torch and some metal and fix it himself. Also, I'm sure he does get daily updates. What would you like him to do, have a press conference everyday reading his update? Again, ridiculous. |
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| Author: | Caius [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:53 am ] |
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I agree. Much of the criticism directed at Obama regarding BP is overblown. It is in his and our interest for his to do as much as is possible; he knows this and therefore is probably acting accordingly. My only criticism regards all the deregulation crap that he, and his proxies, direct at the Bush administration. The MMA head was his own hire and Bush may have chose to less strictly enforce existing regulations, but that is not the same thing as deregulation. To deregulate would require the same exhausting Administrative Procedure Act requirements that creating a regulation entails. Notice and Comment + years of law suits by the Natural Resource Defense Council/The Sierra Club for not following informal (this is a technical term in the APA) rule-making procedures, whether or not such suit has merit. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Here's a summary of the GOP attitude toward BP and Obama: "Government should get off the back of big business! There's too much regulation! The free market can take care of everything! Government is the problem, not the solution!" After the BP oil leak: "It's Obama's fault! The government should take care of everything! Government is the solution!" |
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| Author: | Caius [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Groucho wrote: Here's a summary of the GOP attitude toward BP and Obama: "Government should get off the back of big business! There's too much regulation! The free market can take care of everything! Government is the problem, not the solution!" After the BP oil leak: "It's Obama's fault! The government should take care of everything! Government is the solution!" Jim Halpert and I both just said this was not Obama's fault and most people on the right seem to me to not think this is Obama's fault, though it can still hurt him politically. Obama can only be blamed for seducing people, like you, with the idea that government can solve all of our problems. Here's the Groucho attitude toward all things political: GOP dumb. Democrats doubleplusundumb. |
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| Author: | Grill [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whit ... ere-stepha James Carville Slams Obama on Oil Spill: 'We're About to Die Down Here!' Stephanopoulos Still Spinning By Scott Whitlock (Bio | Archive) . . . . . A very emotional Carville surprised host George Stephanopoulos, a friend and former colleague in the Clinton White House, by shouting, "And it just looks like he's not involved in this! Man, you have got to get down here and take control of this!" He could be commandeering tankers and making BP bring tankers in and clean this up. They could the deploying people to the coast right now. He could be deploying people to the coast. He could be with the corps of engineers and the Coast Guard with these people in Plaquemines Parish, doing something about these regulations. These people are crying. They're begging for something down here. And it just looks like he's not involved in this! Man, you have got to get down here and take control of this! Put somebody in charge of this and get this thing moving! We're about to die down here! |
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| Author: | Jim Halpert [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:19 pm ] |
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really we're going to start using carville as an unbias source here? |
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| Author: | Caius [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:56 pm ] |
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Jim Halpert wrote: really we're going to start using carville as an unbias source here? Well he was attacking the Obama administration which means he was working against his normal bias. |
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| Author: | Grill [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Caius wrote: Jim Halpert wrote: really we're going to start using carville as an unbias source here? Well he was attacking the Obama administration which means he was working against his normal bias. seems like lots of good questions, for starters...and ones I have raised before!!!! ***He could be commandeering tankers and making BP bring tankers in and clean this up. *** They could the deploying people to the coast right now. He could be deploying people to the coast. He could be with the corps of engineers and the Coast Guard with these people in Plaquemines Parish, doing something about these regulations. Man, you have got to get down here and take control of this! *** Put somebody in charge of this and get this thing moving! We're about to die down here! SEEMS LIKE FAIR QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Author: | Grill [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Groucho wrote: Here's a summary of the GOP attitude toward BP and Obama: "Government should get off the back of big business! There's too much regulation! The free market can take care of everything! Government is the problem, not the solution!" After the BP oil leak: "It's Obama's fault! The government should take care of everything! Government is the solution!" so what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! isn't Obama a big boy with all his tough finger pointing!!!!!!!!! Anyway, those were just words before the incident but as President, it is on him to get things fixed as President after the incident happened!!!! |
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| Author: | Akaky [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Carville too seems to think Obama is Jesus/God/Dumbledore. |
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| Author: | Grill [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Akaky wrote: Carville too seems to think Obama is Jesus/God/Dumbledore. Nope far from that. He just wanted the finger pointing President to get off his butt and due something. As he is a month late already. |
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| Author: | Tyler [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
What should he do, other than push for BP to clean this up on more of their own dime and push for tighter regs/an energy bill? Oh wait? There's been a push for both? |
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| Author: | Grill [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Push BP??? Hasn't that been what he has done for the last month??? So how about coordinating or sending down some resources with your own ideas and then bill BP Especially with his bold earlier statements. Or in a month we will have a finger pointing Obama saying, I pushed BP to stop and clean up the leak. I did all I could do. Not quite Mr President. |
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| Author: | Jim Halpert [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:08 am ] |
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i find it funny that conservatives complain about big government until the want big government to fix a companies mistake. Seriously, this is BP's fault and they should be the ones responsible. |
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| Author: | Grill [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Well saw some internet poll that said 70% didn't think the government did or was doing a good enough job on the oil spill. And yes the company is primary but it is stupid to think that we should wait months to evaluate their efforts. Which would be way to long. Since BP has such a big cash reserve let them send in a billion dollars so the government can get to work on BPs account. |
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| Author: | Akaky [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Has Obama done anything good or worthy as President |
Obama has no interest to look bad, and if he does it's due to things he most likely can't arrange the way he wants to. I don't think he's so stupid that he needs your advice Grill, yours of all people. |
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| Author: | Grill [ Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:42 pm ] |
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really getting scary how little support O is getting anymore, anywhere! |
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