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Author:  Beeblebrox [ Fri May 08, 2009 12:27 am ]
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/0 ... ce-re.html

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefed on the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah in September 2002, according to a report prepared by the Director of National Intelligence’s office and obtained by ABC News.

The report, submitted to the Senate Intelligence Committee and other Capitol Hill officials Wednesday, appears to contradict Pelosi’s statement last month that she was never told about the use of waterboarding or other special interrogation tactics. Instead, she has said, she was told only that the Bush administration had legal opinions that would have supported the use of such techniques.

The report details a Sept. 4, 2002 meeting between intelligence officials and Pelosi, then-House intelligence committee chairman Porter Goss, and two aides. At the time, Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee.

Brendan Daly, a Pelosi spokesman, said Pelosi’s recollection of the meeting is different than the way it is described in the report from the DNI’s office.

“The briefers described these techniques, said they were legal, but said that waterboarding had not yet been used,” Daly said.

Daly pointed out that the report backs up Pelosi’s contention that she was briefed only once on “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Her name does not appear elsewhere in the report.

"As this document shows, the speaker was briefed only once, in September 2002," Daly said.

At the briefing, Pelosi did not formally register objections to the interrogation techniques authorized by the Bush administration. President Obama has said he considers such techniques to be "torture."
Author:  Excel [ Fri May 08, 2009 12:53 am ]
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good. she sucks anyways.
Author:  Mr. Reynolds [ Fri May 08, 2009 1:51 am ]
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It looks bad but doesn't really mean anything other than a few days of news.
Author:  Gulli [ Fri May 08, 2009 8:02 am ]
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Another reason to find her repulsive excellent.
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Fri May 08, 2009 3:52 pm ]
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Sam wrote:
It looks bad but doesn't really mean anything other than a few days of news.


It looks bad because it IS bad. Sure, Pelosi didn't order the torture, but if she was aware of it and didn't say anything, it completely undermines her credibility on criticizing the Bush administration.
Author:  Eagle [ Fri May 08, 2009 9:26 pm ]
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Pelosi is a complete moron. How the Democrats put her in a leadership position is beyond me.

More to the point, Beeble is 100% right, it looks bad because she's been criticizing the Bush administration purely as a political maneuver when she has knowingly done nothing. Even worse, about 30 other Democrats on the committee are guilty of the same thing, Pelosi just takes the fall because she's in a leadership position.

I find it all ironic because many here and elsewhere have been accusing the Republican party of simply politically pandering with many of their recent actions, something that sadly isn't incorrect. The irony is that Democrats have been so gung-ho against torture because it rated so well on the political spectrum, and now that the tides have turned and they face the risk of looking like hypocrites, they will slowly back away from the issue. Back away not because they are wrong, but because they don't care, keeping their seats is more important than a torture agenda. The same could be said for both parties on just about any issue, and it's pretty sad.
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Fri May 08, 2009 9:37 pm ]
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Eagle wrote:
The irony is that Democrats have been so gung-ho against torture because it rated so well on the political spectrum,


Or, you know, because it's WRONG.

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The same could be said for both parties on just about any issue, and it's pretty sad.


While Pelosi may have done nothing and should definitely step down as leader, the fact is that Republicans have AUTHORIZED and ADVOCATED torture. Democrats are no angels, but as is almost always the case, the Republicans are far, far worse.

I mean look, it took Pelosi's involvement for YOU to comment on a torture thread. :roll:
Author:  Eagle [ Sat May 09, 2009 1:03 am ]
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The point is, the Democrats in office could care less about torture, they pander to it because it plays well with the public. Now that it doesn't, it will fade like a distant memory.
Author:  Jim Halpert [ Sat May 09, 2009 3:25 am ]
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isn't knowing it and doing nothing about it basically the same as advocating it.
Author:  Tyler [ Sat May 09, 2009 1:07 pm ]
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It's not as nefarious. Anybody aware of something could be blamed for inaction.
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Sun May 10, 2009 1:05 am ]
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Eagle wrote:
The point is, the Democrats in office could care less about torture, they pander to it because it plays well with the public. Now that it doesn't, it will fade like a distant memory.


I know you've been sitting back waiting for a Dem to be implicated so that you could pull out your fake "see, they all do it" crap and dismiss it. You and Jim both don't bother to weigh in on the issue until a Dem gets involved. Now you feel the need to comment. Who's the hypocrite?

I guess according to Republicans, ignoring it is going to turn out to be worse than authorizing it or carrying out the orders.

But torture is illegal. It's a war crime. And there are many Dems in Congress and the WH who do care. Just because Pelosi knew doesn't mean that no Dem really cares about torture. That's utter nonsense. In fact, it's on the lefty blogs that you'll find the stories about Pelosi and the other top Dems who might have been briefed. The calls for investigation and prosecution have not diminished.
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Sun May 10, 2009 1:10 am ]
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Jim Halpert wrote:
isn't knowing it and doing nothing about it basically the same as advocating it.


If you see someone getting mugged and don't do anything, does that mean you're an advocate for mugging? No.

Some of the top Dems have a lot to answer for if they were aware of torture policies and ignored it. But that's a far cry from the Republicans who ordered the torture policies to begin with and those who have defended and advocated for torture policies.

I wouldn't be surprised though to see in the coming weeks Republicans arguing that knowing/doing nothing is way WORSE that authorizing torture and is, in fact, the only thing that should be investigated and prosecuted.
Author:  Caius [ Sun May 10, 2009 1:20 am ]
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Beeblebrox wrote:
If you see someone getting mugged and don't do anything, does that mean you're an advocate for mugging? No.



The proper analogy would be if you were a police officer and saw someone getting mugged. That doesn't mean that you're an advocate for mugging, but it does mean that you were not doing your job and were also complicit. Regardless of the officer's intent, that outcome is the same.
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Sun May 10, 2009 1:27 am ]
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Caius wrote:
The proper analogy would be if you were a police officer and saw someone getting mugged. That doesn't mean that you're an advocate for mugging, but it does mean that you were not doing your job and were also complicit. Regardless of the officer's intent, that outcome is the same.


That's greatly overstating Pelosi's involvement though. She was not a police officer who could have single-handedly stopped torture from occurring. She was negligent and didn't do her job. She should lose her position in the leadership and hopefully lose her seat in Congress.

But the idea that this is the same as those who authorized or carried out torture is ridiculous. Authorizing torture is a crime. This isn't. I should say that neither, btw, is defending the torture policy that was implemented as most Republicans have done. That's just stupid, immoral, and douche-baggy and those people should all be run out of office as well.
Author:  Eagle [ Mon May 11, 2009 7:25 am ]
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You're kidding yourself. The whole issue of torture is going to quietly fade into the night.
Author:  Groucho [ Mon May 11, 2009 6:05 pm ]
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Eagle wrote:
You're kidding yourself. The whole issue of torture is going to quietly fade into the night.


I certainly hope not. Not if decent people who truly stand for freedom have anything to say about it.

You let it fade; I'll continue to shine a light on it the best I can.
Author:  Caius [ Mon May 11, 2009 7:01 pm ]
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Groucho wrote:
Eagle wrote:
You're kidding yourself. The whole issue of torture is going to quietly fade into the night.


I certainly hope not. Not if decent people who truly stand for freedom have anything to say about it.

You let it fade; I'll continue to shine a light on it the best I can.


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Author:  Beeblebrox [ Thu May 14, 2009 2:38 am ]
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Caius wrote:
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Ah yes, mockery of humans rights and mockery of opposition to war crimes. This is what the GOP is reduced to, a pathetic pro-torture, anti-gay, anti-science cabal.

Meanwhile:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... ators.html

The 25 lines edited out of the court papers contained details of how Mr Mohamed's genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, "is very far down the list of things they did," the official said.

These are your harmless frat-boy pranks.
Author:  Caius [ Thu May 14, 2009 10:35 am ]
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I wasn't mocking human rights, I was mocking Groucho's self-serving Tom Joad-like speech.

Please stop associating me with being anti-gay and anti-science and the GOP is now a cabal? Seriously? Does your hatred of all things Republican know no bounds?
Author:  Eagle [ Thu May 14, 2009 11:01 am ]
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It doesn't. You should know by now that no matter what your stated beliefs, if you associate yourself in any way with the Republican party, you instantly become a sterotype to Beeble, and a sterotype you shall forever remain. A sterotype advocating hate, torture, racism, gaymongering and countless other atrocities, a sterotype fitting only of the Republican party, and a fate you deserve for ever speaking in a non-negative light about those-who-shall-not-be-named.

Welcome to the club, tea's at 4.
Author:  Jim Halpert [ Thu May 14, 2009 7:59 pm ]
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believe me i'm against torture but some of the things read aren't torture. Sitting in an awkward position? That's not torture, i did that while going through pledgeship. Same with not being allowed to sleep for a while and a few other things.

Waterboarding is a whole different thing. That is torture and should never be used.
Author:  Jonathan [ Wed May 20, 2009 12:30 am ]
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Author:  Tyler [ Thu May 21, 2009 1:46 am ]
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I love his booming voice.
Author:  nghtvsn [ Thu May 21, 2009 2:39 am ]
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Ah.

So Ventura lays it all out on the table yet the world will cycle in it's repetitiveness as usual. That's a shame. I wish he had run for Senate this past election. It would have been another perfect opportunity. Alas, we're stuck with his comments relegated to a few opinion tv shows.
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