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Box Loves Christian wrote:

What this expected, in any way, by anyone? I'm totally surprised.

Sam wrote:

Are there serious democrat candidates out there?

Sam wrote:

Are there serious democrat candidates out there?

Krem wrote:

Sam wrote:

Are there serious democrat candidates out there?

Ed Rendell?

Jedi Master Carr wrote:

Krem wrote:

Sam wrote:

Are there serious democrat candidates out there?

Ed Rendell?

Rendell would have only ran if that conservative had won the nominee. This to me shows the probably with the Republicans, they are losing more moderates. They are just becoming a religious party.

Caius wrote:

I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election.

Caius wrote:

I might like Pat Toomey's politics more so than Specter's, but at least Specter can win in Penn.

Caius wrote:

I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election.

Beeblebrox wrote:

Caius wrote:

I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election.

In fact, Spector's whole reason for leaving the GOP was that he, as a moderate, could not win a Republican primary. That's both a political calculation and a commentary on the GOP base.

Caius wrote:

Maybe, but I am not sure that Specter could win the Dem primary if Rendell jumps in. I mean, Specter was one of the driving forces behind Clarence Thomas and Specter's position on card-check cannot be that popular amongst the Democratic Party base.

Caius wrote:

Beeblebrox wrote:

Caius wrote:

I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election.

In fact, Spector's whole reason for leaving the GOP was that he, as a moderate, could not win a Republican primary. That's both a political calculation and a commentary on the GOP base.

Author:	Mr. Reynolds [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Closer to 60!
Longtime GOP Sen. Arlen Specter to become Democrat

Author:	Box [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:45 pm ]
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What this expected, in any way, by anyone? I'm totally surprised.

Author:	Beeblebrox [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:12 pm ]
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Box Loves Christian wrote: What this expected, in any way, by anyone? I'm totally surprised. It was rumored for awhile that he was thinking about it. Still, I'm quite surprised.

Author:	Jim Halpert [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:18 pm ]
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all polls show him getting his ass kicked in 2010

Author:	Mr. Reynolds [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
As a republican, yeah. As a Democrat, it has yet to be seen.

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Author:	Groucho [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:23 pm ]
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I'm shocked, and am wondering what all the democrats who were running for Senate here in PA will think about this. He has no guarantee of being nominated.

Author:	Libs [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
Yeahhhh buddy Go Specter

Author:	Mr. Reynolds [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
Are there serious democrat candidates out there?

Author:	Jedi Master Carr [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:41 pm ]
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Sam wrote: Are there serious democrat candidates out there? Rendell is going to back him so no Democrat will run against him. I think he wins as a democrat. He is nearly a democrat anyway.

Author:	Krem [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:41 pm ]
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Sam wrote: Are there serious democrat candidates out there? Ed Rendell?

Author:	Box [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
Well, he admitted it was political at his conference.

Author:	Groucho [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:34 pm ]
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Jedi Master Carr wrote: Krem wrote: Sam wrote: Are there serious democrat candidates out there? Ed Rendell? Rendell would have only ran if that conservative had won the nominee. This to me shows the probably with the Republicans, they are losing more moderates. They are just becoming a religious party. Do you think the fact that Spector is Jewish has something to do with this? (So is Rendell, actually, which brings up a funny story about a poll I read somewhere when they asked PA residents if PA was ready for a Jewish person in charge of the state, and a lot said no, unaware of Rendell and Spector!)

Author:	Caius [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election. I wonder if the state party is going to force out some of the other names so that Specter can cruise through the primaries? I think the Democrats could probably get a more liberal candidate than Specter elected, so why bother pushing out the other candidates? Sometimes I wish that local GOP factions would leave alone "moderate" politicians that are from moderate to liberal states. I might like Pat Toomey's politics more so than Specter's, but at least Specter can win in Penn.

Author:	Groucho [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
Caius wrote: I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election. Yes, in fact he admitted it. Although I disagree with much of Spector's politics, I have always admired him for being straightforward and honest. Caius wrote: I might like Pat Toomey's politics more so than Specter's, but at least Specter can win in Penn. Exactly. PA is a blue state, but only slightly. Moderates do best here; when Santorum was wiped clean* a few years ago you'd think the GOP here would learn but they apparently intend to repeat their mistake with Toomey. * heh heh heh

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Author:	Beeblebrox [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:15 pm ]
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Caius wrote: I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election. In fact, Spector's whole reason for leaving the GOP was that he, as a moderate, could not win a Republican primary. That's both a political calculation and a commentary on the GOP base. The same situation almost played up with Lieberman in CT, although he went Independent instead of joining the Repubs.

Author:	Krem [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:34 pm ]
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Lieberman became independent after he had already lost the primary, though and the Republican opponent was set.

Author:	Tyler [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:55 pm ]
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Yeah, the Democrat Ned Lamont was a fucking wallflower. Lieberman is political herpes.

Author:	Caius [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:47 pm ]
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Beeblebrox wrote: Caius wrote: I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election. In fact, Spector's whole reason for leaving the GOP was that he, as a moderate, could not win a Republican primary. That's both a political calculation and a commentary on the GOP base. Maybe, but I am not sure that Specter could win the Dem primary if Rendell jumps in. I mean, Specter was one of the driving forces behind Clarence Thomas and Specter's position on card-check cannot be that popular amongst the Democratic Party base.

Author:	Beeblebrox [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
Caius wrote: Maybe, but I am not sure that Specter could win the Dem primary if Rendell jumps in. I mean, Specter was one of the driving forces behind Clarence Thomas and Specter's position on card-check cannot be that popular amongst the Democratic Party base. I guess he saw it as a choice between definitely losing the Republican primary, or possibly losing the Democratic primary. Gotta go with the odds.

Author:	nghtvsn [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
What a phony sick typical politician. He was gonna get his ass handed to him in 2010 so he goes and flips sides. Why didn't he just go Independent like Lieberman? Honestly, I hope he gets...

Author:	Caius [ Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
Probably too hard to raise cash as an independent.

Author:	Jedi Master Carr [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:55 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
Caius wrote: Beeblebrox wrote: Caius wrote: I think Specter looked at his chances in the GOP primary and thought he had a chance of losing, or at the least a large fight, and that he would have better chances in the general election. In fact, Spector's whole reason for leaving the GOP was that he, as a moderate, could not win a Republican primary. That's both a political calculation and a commentary on the GOP base. Maybe, but I am not sure that Specter could win the Dem primary if Rendell jumps in. I mean, Specter was one of the driving forces behind Clarence Thomas and Specter's position on card-check cannot be that popular amongst the Democratic Party base. Rendell though has said he is backing Specter so that won't happen. Only one democrat is still on the ballot and he is a nobody.

Author:	Mr. Reynolds [ Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Closer to 60!
All I care about is that magic 60!