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Author:  Beeblebrox [ Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/world ... 7iraq.html

BAGHDAD — Iraq’s cabinet on Sunday overwhelmingly approved a proposed security agreement that calls for a full withdrawal of American forces from the country by the end of 2011. The cabinet’s decision brings a final date for the departure of American troops a significant step closer after more than five and a half years of war.
Author:  Caius [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
Amen. Rarely is there an occasion where everyone in the politics forum can agree on something, but I think this is one of those occasions.
Author:  Eagle [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
Still has to be passed by their parliament.
Author:  Loyal [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:51 am ]
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Damn it Karl!
Author:  Jim Halpert [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
good. Can we make it any sooner
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
Nite Owl wrote:
good. Can we make it any sooner


One has to imagine that, once troops leave the cities in 2009, what would really be keeping them around for another two years to 2011. I think it'll be a pretty rapid withdrawal after the urban drawdown.
Author:  Mannyisthebest [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
and then we wait to see what happens ^^^


Will the radicals and warlords come out just waiting for the Americans to leave and leave vast areas of the country outside of Govt Control.

Will there just be general chaos.


I believe there will be trouble but it will sort itself out like Vietnam.

The question is does America leave in Victory or defeat?

Well unlike Vietnam it has finally brought stability to the country so it will be seen as nothing really.


However, they should be cautious because trust me, if we just leave, Iran will dominate the country. The govt is weak...
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
Mannyisthebest wrote:
However, they should be cautious because trust me, if we just leave, Iran will dominate the country. The govt is weak...


They want us out. They voted for it. Whatever happens after we leave happens to them as a sovereign nation, good or ill and is no longer our responsibility.
Author:  Jim Halpert [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
Beeblebrox wrote:
Mannyisthebest wrote:
However, they should be cautious because trust me, if we just leave, Iran will dominate the country. The govt is weak...


They want us out. They voted for it. Whatever happens after we leave happens to them as a sovereign nation, good or ill and is no longer our responsibility.


gotta agree with beeble on this one
Author:  Eagle [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
I personally like the proposal. The surge helped stabilize the violence, but nothing will come of this new government until that country sorts some things out on their own, and make no mistake, there are going to be bumps along the road.

They are decades away from being a functional democracy, and we need to understand that's OK.

As for Iran, the US would never let them invade, that's just stupidity. For better or worse, we are playing nanny in that region for at least the next 20 years.
Author:  Mannyisthebest [ Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Iraq sets hard deadline for US withdrawal - 2011
I think the US will go the course of Vietnam anyways.

However Vietnam does not have a country like Iran around it though.


Do not forget that!!


What can be done? Of course the country should be left to deal with its problems, but the world's superpower cannot just start ignore the world after interfering in all of its affairs. :funny:

The thing is what we do know in the next 16 months in IRAQ could have such great macro historical effects for that region, for the better or for the worst.

All I call for is caution...

We marched quickly to war and made a mistake and suffered, leaving quickly can have the same result.

I think a 3 year pull out minimum...
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