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| Author: | snack [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | We don't have this phenomenon here |
Ahmadenijad said it about homosexuality in Iran, and I'm beginning to think we're closer to that here than we think (of course nowhere close to the treatment in Iran, but for the sake of the title...) So the Gay Marriage ballot measures are getting essentially zero coverage...and it's not like CA and FL are insignificant places. So first us homosexuals are the only people in the country that the nation thinks they have the right to vote on our (and only our) liberties on, they weren't banning some concept that applies to everyone, they're voting explicitly on the rights of another group. Then they take away those liberties, and no one bothers to comment. Essentially zero coverage on the national outlets. I feel like the fucking Elephant Man. |
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| Author: | nghtvsn [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
This just means you need to wait a bit longer or move to another state. Simple as that. |
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| Author: | kypade [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
That's all it means? |
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| Author: | Corpse [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
Well, there really should be no waiting or moving to be able to do what you should be able to do from the beginning. |
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
If there's a silver lining, it's that gay marriage did better than it has ever done on a ballot initiative. It WILL get back on the ballot again and I'd expect the outcome to be different this time. |
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| Author: | nghtvsn [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
Beeblebrox wrote: If there's a silver lining, it's that gay marriage did better than it has ever done on a ballot initiative. It WILL get back on the ballot again and I'd expect the outcome to be different this time. There's your answer. The movement to make gay marriage part of the norm will succeed eventually regardless of things like Prop 8 or other states amendments. |
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| Author: | Eagle [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
In the end, you can't always rely on a majority of people to decide what's right. When it comes down to an individuals civil rights being denied, as is the case here, it must eventually be decided on by the U.S. Supreme Court. Until the US Supreme Court rules on the issue, it remains in the hands of the people. |
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| Author: | bABA [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
i remember someone on the boards mentioned something and it started this huge debate once that republicans are generally homophobic while liberals only have exceptions. I'm looking at California. And maybe i'm reading this wrong so if someone can correct me, i'd be grateful. 61% of the people voted for Obama. Yet 51% voted YES on Prop 8 Even if we consider that every single republican voted YES (which i highly doubt), that still leaves us with a large percentage of liberals who voted Yes as well. Doesn't this highlight the fact more that while more liberals in general favor homosexuality, to pass a statement saying republicans are all gay hating commies while liberals are not, a bit of a wrong statement? I'm posing a question. I may be missing things here obviously. |
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
MonyTontana wrote: i remember someone on the boards mentioned something and it started this huge debate once that republicans are generally homophobic while liberals only have exceptions. I'm looking at California. And maybe i'm reading this wrong so if someone can correct me, i'd be grateful. 61% of the people voted for Obama. Yet 51% voted YES on Prop 8 Even if we consider that every single republican voted YES (which i highly doubt), that still leaves us with a large percentage of liberals who voted Yes as well. Doesn't this highlight the fact more that while more liberals in general favor homosexuality, to pass a statement saying republicans are all gay hating commies while liberals are not, a bit of a wrong statement? I'm posing a question. I may be missing things here obviously. What you're missing is that not everyone who voted for Obama is "liberal." Not everyone who does not identify as Republican is "liberal." That's not to say that there aren't liberals who are homophobes, but you can't define it from these numbers. |
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| Author: | bABA [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
Beeblebrox wrote: MonyTontana wrote: i remember someone on the boards mentioned something and it started this huge debate once that republicans are generally homophobic while liberals only have exceptions. I'm looking at California. And maybe i'm reading this wrong so if someone can correct me, i'd be grateful. 61% of the people voted for Obama. Yet 51% voted YES on Prop 8 Even if we consider that every single republican voted YES (which i highly doubt), that still leaves us with a large percentage of liberals who voted Yes as well. Doesn't this highlight the fact more that while more liberals in general favor homosexuality, to pass a statement saying republicans are all gay hating commies while liberals are not, a bit of a wrong statement? I'm posing a question. I may be missing things here obviously. What you're missing is that not everyone who voted for Obama is "liberal." Not everyone who does not identify as Republican is "liberal." That's not to say that there aren't liberals who are homophobes, but you can't define it from these numbers. fair enough |
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| Author: | Krem [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
MonyTontana wrote: i remember someone on the boards mentioned something and it started this huge debate once that republicans are generally homophobic while liberals only have exceptions. I'm looking at California. And maybe i'm reading this wrong so if someone can correct me, i'd be grateful. 61% of the people voted for Obama. Yet 51% voted YES on Prop 8 Even if we consider that every single republican voted YES (which i highly doubt), that still leaves us with a large percentage of liberals who voted Yes as well. Doesn't this highlight the fact more that while more liberals in general favor homosexuality, to pass a statement saying republicans are all gay hating commies while liberals are not, a bit of a wrong statement? I'm posing a question. I may be missing things here obviously. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1 This should give you all that you need. For instance, 22% of self-described liberals voted for proposition 8, along with 85% of self-described conservatives and 47% of moderates. |
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| Author: | nghtvsn [ Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: We don't have this phenomenon here |
Krem wrote: MonyTontana wrote: i remember someone on the boards mentioned something and it started this huge debate once that republicans are generally homophobic while liberals only have exceptions. I'm looking at California. And maybe i'm reading this wrong so if someone can correct me, i'd be grateful. 61% of the people voted for Obama. Yet 51% voted YES on Prop 8 Even if we consider that every single republican voted YES (which i highly doubt), that still leaves us with a large percentage of liberals who voted Yes as well. Doesn't this highlight the fact more that while more liberals in general favor homosexuality, to pass a statement saying republicans are all gay hating commies while liberals are not, a bit of a wrong statement? I'm posing a question. I may be missing things here obviously. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1 This should give you all that you need. For instance, 22% of self-described liberals voted for proposition 8, along with 85% of self-described conservatives and 47% of moderates. Of course you know a majority of tives are gonna vote for it. Blame the mods and libs who voted for it. They are the problem if you want to place blame. Be sure though with patience you'll get what you want in time. |
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