So lets see what we get out those 8 years (my opinion)

- A war on terror that is way over the top. Going to Afghanistan had to be done but making US a controled security staate?
- A war in Iraq. Face it. Its useless causes only more terror and its based on a lie that was even then stupid when it was first spoken out. The war will give the us in the end approx 6000 KIA 10000s of
Us military folks that will need their entire life medical support. Also in the end the war alone will cost maybe approx 750 billion USD.
- The military industry (also private contractor firms) made a shitload of money that could be needed desperately elsewhere.
- USD crashed.
- As it seems a huge economy crysis at the end.
- A damn huge excessive national debt. Approx $31,640 for each US citizen.
- The US reputatipon is heavely crippled.


Well tell me if I missed something. Feel free to discuss.

A war on science and education.

Torture as an American policy authorized at the highest levels of government.

Warrantless wiretapping and indefinite detention of US citizens (not to mention hundreds of enemy combatants).

The Bush doctrine.

In what regard?

Haha! "In what regard, Charlie?" is my new catch phrase. If I'm lost or confused in a conversation with friends, I just pull out "In what regard, Charlie?" Haha.

Peace,
Mike

-shame

He made America a country that was well respected and well revered and even feared across the world into a cesspool and a shadow of its former self.

It may even be that Bush was to America as Emperor Commodus was to the Roman Empire.

The start of the decline of a superpower.


America may come back but not back to its former glory that it had from Post WW2 to the 2000.


Bush severely weakened the States and China and Russia are taking full advantage of the situation.

In all seriousness, can anyone point to a success of the administration?

I'm not counting "reducing taxes on rich people" or "appointing lots of right wing judges" as accomplishments.

opening up Libya....

(That took me a solid 5 mins of thinking)....

So far:

Better than Clinton.

Serious the hate for the Clinton's is stupid.

Just because he slept with another women does not make it worse then screwing up the economy, foreign policy and domestic issues and whoever thinks it is...

is simply an idiot.


Under the Clinton years, people loved and admired the US and now they despise and hate it forget about admiring it.


Clinton can go almost anywhere and get a warm reception, can Bush?

Oh! Well, your impeccable logic and your long list of reasons has convinced me!

I like the people here who pretend like the Bush Doctrine answer was some sort of "gotcha." None of you had a comprehensive answer on it until you googled it (if you even bothered to do that) except maybe Beeblebrox. Her response didn't belie ignorance, it simply pointed out that Charles asked a complex question with many facets.

It'd be like asking, "What are your thoughts on the internet?"

Logic tells me that a long list would mean nothing because your dislike for Bush is not rebuttable by mere mortals.

First, even if they didn't know what it is, they aren't running for the second highest office in the country. Palin is. And she didn't know it, even though it's a central tenant of Republican foreign policy. She didn't know (and let's be clear, she DID NOT KNOW) because, like Bush, she is incurious. If it's not in the BIble, then it's outside of her scope of knowledge.

Second, the Bush doctrine isn't exactly complicated. Neither was Gibson's question. I could have answered it and I'm not running for vice president. It's a dangerous and bone-headed policy that we'd better hope and pray someone who isn't us doesn't decide to adopt as well.



He didn't ask her what her thoughts were on countries of the world.

He asked her a specific foreign policy question. It'd be like asking "What are your thoughts on net neutrality." And I'd hope that anyone close to the tech or telecommunications industry would be able to answer that question instead of yammering like a deer in headlights.

Let's face it. She's a joke. She's a female version of Dubya. I can't believe you're still onboard that train wreck.*





*I can actually believe it. That was rhetorical.

Actually, I can think of one: He's done a good job in providing funding to help fight AIDS in Africa.

Since I think foreign policy is the most important issue in this election, yes i knew what the bush doctrine was. It's fucking awful. That's how she should have answered it.

That's how I judge my presidents! By how well other countries like us!

Don't be stupid. That's an idiotic way to judge how good a president is.

Yeah, that would be like judging a person based on how many friends he has! THe really qualified guys are assholes who are hated by everyone.

Seriously people you need to get over your hate for Clinton. All he did was beat the republicans at their own game for 8yrs and presided over the greatest economic expansion this country had seen in decades. His one flaw was that he cheated on his wife, got caught, and lied about it. Just like millions of other men had done before him and still do to this day. Hell the very same repugnicans who were crucifying him were cheating on their wives as well, and no one cared. I'm willing to bet had he banged a hot chick instead of the fat girl, republicans would be kissing his ass today.

As far as Governor Bush go's, hes still governor as thats the last office he was actually elected too, as he was appointed president by the Supreme Court. He along with VP Cheney and his entire administration should be impeached, then tried before the world court for human rights violations all the while being subjected to the same "interrogation techniques" they don't consider torture. Eight brutal years of failure after failure all the while robbing the country blind through crony ism, no bid contracts, and gross mismanagement is way worse than cheating on your wife. But,

George W Bush's crowning achievement though is the famed seven minutes. He just sat there like a bump on a log with a glazed over look in his eyes for SEVEN minutes after being informed our nation was under attack. Our nation was under attack from an unknown enemy with yet unknown capabilities and he just froze like a deer caught in the headlights. When our nation needed a leader the most he just sat there like he just pissed himself and was afraid to stand up and show the world his wet pant leg. There isn't a republican, or any sane individual, out there who can credibly defend the presidents immediate reaction to hearing the news our nation was under attack on that fateful tragic day. For SEVEN minutes he just sat there thinking about My Pet Goat instead of reacting to the crisis at hand.

-George maybe manages to have a 10000 bilion National Debt at the end of his run.

Imo the bank failures will be a watershed moment in economic thinking.

Deregulation seemed the way to go and it makes sense most of the time.

However you need some sort of check against it and some sense of responsibility.


In Canada the govt has out right rejected the possibility of a bailout.

Uhmmmm.....one bad big thing was also
-The reaction after hurricane Katrina

You do know there was an election is 2004? It featured John Kerry and George Bush. Bush won this election [insert Mr. Pink "Ohio was stolen" argument here]. So the last office Bush was elected to was the presidency in 2004.

I find it strange that you would justify torture of a president for things like sitting "with a glazed over look in his eyes for SEVEN minutes" (emphasis in original) and the fact that he advocates torturing people, just like you do.

Perhaps you should rethink your hatred of President Bush. I realize some of it is hipster chic, but it seems overboard that you "hate" him. I don't hate President Clinton and I don't think anyone here said that they did including Chipmunkey.

Clinton presided over Waco.

And what would you have done differently?