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Beeblebrox
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 Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan Remember when Bush and McCain said that when the Iraqis wanted us out, we'd get out? Question: "What would or should we do if, in the post-June 30th period, a so-called sovereign Iraqi government asks us to leave, even if we are unhappy about the security situation there?"
McCain: "Well, if that scenario evolves than I think it's obvious that we would have to leave because -- if it was an elected government of Iraq, and we've been asked to leave other places in the world. If it were an extremist government then I think we would have other challenges, but I don't see how we could stay when our whole emphasis and policy has been based on turning the Iraqi government over to the Iraqi people."Well they don't. Here is Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki: "U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes. Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic. Artificially prolonging the tenure of U.S. troops in Iraq would cause problems. Of course, this is by no means an election endorsement. Whom they choose as their president is the Americans' business. But it's the business of Iraqis to say what they want. And that's where the people and the government are in general agreement: The tenure of the coalition troops in Iraq should be limited."The Bush administration response was, as usual, to distort what al-Maliki said and pretend it never happened. McCain's response was more telling: "I’ve been there too many times. I’ve met too many times with him. And I know what they want. They want it based on conditions. And of course they’d like to have us out. That’s what happens when you win wars." They want us to leave, but McCain knows what's best for them despite what they say.
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Caius
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan Where does Maliki tell the U.S. that he wants us out? Reading his statement, he doesn't. Here's some other quotes from military leaders in Iraq: Quote: The Post recently quoted Brig. Gen. Bilal al-Dayni, commander of Iraqi troops in Basra, as saying of the Americans, "We hope they will stay until 2020." That is similar to the expectation of Iraq's defense minister, Abdul Qadir, who says his forces cannot assume full responsibility for internal security until 2012 and for external security until 2018.
What would happen if we were to pull out much faster, on a 16-month timetable? Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Hammond, commander of coalition forces in Baghdad, says that would be "very dangerous" -- the same words used by Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Why are you taking what Maliki says at face value when most have felt him to be incompetent and sectarian? He is simply posturing for what he perceives to be an Obama win in November (which I think is more than likely to happen).
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan The Republican talking points on this go as follows:
Thanks to America, Iraq is now a soverign nation, able to make its own decisions!
Iraq's desire to make its own decisions about American troop withdrawals is not relevant, as they are not a soverign nation.
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Beeblebrox
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan KidRock69x wrote: Where does Maliki tell the U.S. that he wants us out? Reading his statement, he doesn't. Um, I realize you have your right-wing reading-impairment glasses on, but he says it right here: " U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes. Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic." That's pretty straight-forward. Quote: Why are you taking what Maliki says at face value when most have felt him to be incompetent and sectarian? Well, it was BUSH and MCCAIN who said they'd withdraw if the Iraqis wanted us out. Not the military generals, but the IRAQIS. It's pretty clear they want us out. Now Bush and McCain are ignoring them, because this was never about what the Iraqis want.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan We ignore Afghanistan at our peril. Certain people's inability to embrace withdrawal from Iraq reminds me of egotistical husbands that couldn't stoop low enough to admit their own mistakes. Our military's mission is defending the security of the United States, not the sanctity of political ego.
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Jedi Master Carr
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan I think Iraq can now defend itself, besides Iran won't let the country go into civil war. If we leave I bet nothing bad happens there.
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Caius
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan Beeblebrox wrote:
Um, I realize you have your right-wing reading-impairment glasses on, but he says it right here:
"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes. Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic."
That's pretty straight-forward.
Just read it again and I don't see him saying he wants the U.S. out.
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan KidRock69x wrote: Beeblebrox wrote:
Um, I realize you have your right-wing reading-impairment glasses on, but he says it right here:
"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes. Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic."
That's pretty straight-forward.
Just read it again and I don't see him saying he wants the U.S. out. I would presume "withdrawal" means withdrawal out of Iraq.
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Beeblebrox
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan KidRock69x wrote: Just read it again and I don't see him saying he wants the U.S. out. Do you know what the word "withdrawal" means? He's saying he wants the US to WITHDRAW in 16 months. C'mon, KR. I know that your ability to ignore reality and facts boggles the mind, but this is ridiculous even for you.
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Beeblebrox
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan Harvey Hussein Dent wrote: I would presume "withdrawal" means withdrawal out of Iraq. Well he's not talking about withdrawing from an ATM machine. 
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan Beeblebrox wrote: Harvey Hussein Dent wrote: I would presume "withdrawal" means withdrawal out of Iraq. Well he's not talking about withdrawing from an ATM machine. With today's Berlin speech, I gain hope in the American government withdrawing its dick from the world's asshole.
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Caius
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan Beeblebrox wrote: ATM machine. 
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Anita Hussein Briem
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Re: Iraqi PM endorses Obama withdrawal plan On a side note, how large of a support force do you think should be retained after withdrawal of combat brigades?
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