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Author:  Beeblebrox [ Thu May 15, 2008 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
Torture supporters are not only giant scumbags, they are also short-sighted and stupid.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 11,00.html

Mohammed al-Qahtani, reputedly one of the most dangerous prisoners held at Guantanamo and one of six to who might have faced the death penalty for alleged participation in the 9/11 plot, has just had charges against him dropped by the top legal authority at the base.

The charges were dismissed without prejudice, meaning that a prosecutor could reinstate them at any time. But few observers expect that to happen, largely because Qahtani underwent protracted torture and the threat of torture during his interrogation at Guantanamo, a process that tainted his confessions as well as the evidence he gave against other prisoners.

Statements derived from torture are notoriously unreliable, rendering useless otherwise high value suspects. And even more priceless, the US is releasing Qahtani BECAUSE his trial would introduce proof that he was tortured illegally. Rather than face those charges, the US is simply dropping the case.

Ugh.
Author:  insomniacdude [ Thu May 15, 2008 6:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
:grrr: :grrr:

And justice is served how?
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Thu May 15, 2008 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
insomniacdude wrote:
:grrr: :grrr:

And justice is served how?


It isn't. And it's directly attributable to this administration's torture policy.
Author:  Anita Hussein Briem [ Thu May 15, 2008 8:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
Beeblebrox wrote:
insomniacdude wrote:
:grrr: :grrr:

And justice is served how?


It isn't. And it's directly attributable to this administration's torture policy.

Somehow reminds me of the movie High Crimes with Ashley Judd. :funny:
Author:  Groucho [ Fri May 16, 2008 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
insomniacdude wrote:
:grrr: :grrr:

And justice is served how?


What, are you crazy? Justice is not served by torture. A confession from torture isn't justice.
Author:  Anita Hussein Briem [ Fri May 16, 2008 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
Groucho wrote:
What, are you crazy? Justice is not served by torture. A confession from torture isn't justice.

I think he's griping at the fact that torture destroyed the specimen's usefulness.
Author:  Groucho [ Fri May 16, 2008 9:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
Angela Merkel wrote:
Groucho wrote:
What, are you crazy? Justice is not served by torture. A confession from torture isn't justice.

I think he's griping at the fact that torture destroyed the specimen's usefulness.


Yep, true enough. The torture hurt the investigation instead of helping it.

I am still amazed that there are people who defend torture. It wasn't that long ago that the US tried to be the "good guys".
Author:  Jeff [ Sun May 18, 2008 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
Groucho wrote:
Angela Merkel wrote:
Groucho wrote:
What, are you crazy? Justice is not served by torture. A confession from torture isn't justice.

I think he's griping at the fact that torture destroyed the specimen's usefulness.


Yep, true enough. The torture hurt the investigation instead of helping it.

I am still amazed that there are people who defend torture. It wasn't that long ago that the US tried to be the "good guys".


My family does.

It angers and disgusts me beyond belief.
Author:  insomniacdude [ Mon May 19, 2008 6:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
Angela Merkel wrote:
Groucho wrote:
What, are you crazy? Justice is not served by torture. A confession from torture isn't justice.

I think he's griping at the fact that torture destroyed the specimen's usefulness.


:yes: It gets under my skin that the detainers used torture as a method of "justice" to both punish al-Qahtani for his potential crime and to get info that could potentially save other lives. But in the end, their overzealousness and impatience created a bigger injustice than 9-11 itself.
Author:  Beeblebrox [ Mon May 19, 2008 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Charges against 9-11 suspect dropped because he was tortured
insomniacdude wrote:
:yes: It gets under my skin that the detainers used torture as a method of "justice" to both punish al-Qahtani for his potential crime and to get info that could potentially save other lives. But in the end, their overzealousness and impatience created a bigger injustice than 9-11 itself.


I think there's an argument to be made that any experienced interrogator would have known that torture produces unreliable information - and if words gets out, your case implodes, as it did here. At Abu Ghraib, what happened there wasn't about interrogation at all. That would lead me to conclude that the torture was simply about punishment. The purpose of torture is always torture. People who practice or authorize it are war criminals.
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