How much you think they paid that black dude in the Du Rag in the first row?
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| Author: | Cotton [ Tue May 13, 2008 8:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | West Virgina Results |
Discuss results from the West Virgina primary. Clinton leads 57-38 with 3% reporting. |
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Looks like Clinton isn't going to break 70%. Whew. |
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| Author: | Bodrul [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
How much you think they paid that black dude in the Du Rag in the first row?
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| Author: | Rev [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Bodrul wrote: How much you think they paid that black dude in the Du Rag in the first row? yeah he's soooo faking it.
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Bodrul wrote: How much you think they paid that black dude in the Du Rag in the first row? Maybe he's an immigrant. I know where I live, most African-African-Americans went Clinton. |
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| Author: | Rev [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Angela Merkel wrote: Bodrul wrote: How much you think they paid that black dude in the Du Rag in the first row? Maybe he's an immigrant. I know where I live, most African-African-Americans went Clinton. traitors 
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Immigrants in general have tended to break heavily for Clinton. Latinos, Asians, Africans, etc. They tend to have a combination of Democratic policy outlook with conservative temperament. Anyhow, West Virginia. The state's got a lot of problems, but I'm astonished at some of the crap people are spewing at West Virginians. Much worse than anything around here. |
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| Author: | Rev [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Angela Merkel wrote: Anyhow, West Virginia. The state's got a lot of problems, but I'm astonished at some of the crap people are spewing at West Virginians. Much worse than anything around here. what people and what are they saying about them? |
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| Author: | Bodrul [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Theyre dumb fuckers in general tho to be fair. I read 72% of whites in west virgina not being college educated, these are the people voting for Hillary. The sad thing really is that these thick people actually believe that Hillary understands whats its like to be poor and/or "working class" but in reality she's ALWAYS been rich and priveliged. These uneducated fools stay losing.
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Rev wrote: what people and what are they saying about them? Stuff like marrying siblings. Quote: Theyre dumb fuckers in general tho to be fair. I read 72% of whites in west virgina not being college educated, these are the people voting for Hillary. The sad thing really is that these thick people actually believe that Hillary understands whats its like to be poor and/or "working class" but in reality she's ALWAYS been rich and priveliged. These uneducated fools stay losing. She reminds me of the old Communist political strategists (me being from China). Secure power by learning to play the uneducated proletariat against everybody else. |
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| Author: | Corpse [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Obama lost every voting group in West Virginia, including college students. But WV is very much a Clinton state, A DEMOCRAT STATE. People here remember the 90's very, very well. And there has been an extreme drop since then just in my town alone. The rubber plant here was shutdown, the sewing plant/company was shutdown, and big auto plant was moved out of state. West Virginia may have the worst economy in the Country, I knew we rank like 48th and 50th on many things. Hillary could beat McCain here with ease in NOV, it wouldn't even look like a swing state by the margin of victory she'd have. Obama, however, cannot win here. He is very much a Gore/Kerry candidate with various differences, but he still fits right in with them in his inability to connect with the white working class voters, and it will show against McCain. I just read an article comparing the % of white support/working class support to what Kerry received in 2004, and Kerry is performing better than Obama. And Obama vs Clinton is going to be very much like Obama vs McCain in the general election. I do believe Clinton is the stronger candidate to run against McCain since she'd be able to carry the Reagan Democrats that the DEM party has forgotten about. That doesn't mean I doubt Obama's chances against McCain overall, although I do very much in Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, and Flordia. But I'm sure Clinton would be a stronger candidate since she can connect with the white working class voters and maintain the voting groups Gore and Kerry carried. |
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
I agree. Obama's chances in November will depend on how much he can compensate with other demographic groups. He will definitely be at a disadvantage in OH and FL, and will not be viable in any states between Alabama and West Virginia. He's starting to poll well in Pennsylvania though, thankfully. |
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| Author: | Corpse [ Tue May 13, 2008 9:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
PA is going to go for Obama, I don't see how he will fair worse than Kerry. And he can compete in Colorado, maybe Georgia, and perhaps a few more western states. So both Clinton and Obama have the states they can win against McCain better than the other, but I REALLY worry about the white working class vote for Obama. Kerry and Gore would have won easily if they could have just carried it a little more. |
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
As far as working-class whites go, Ohio is the big question mark. He'll have to take a few unusual states, like Virginia and North Carolina, if he loses OH and FL. |
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| Author: | Groucho [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
He'll take PA but lose WV; however, he will also capture Colorado and New Mexico and few others that neither Kerry nor Gore got, and probably even Virginia and North Carolina (which will all offset any loss in Ohio). |
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Corpse wrote: He is very much a Gore/Kerry candidate with various differences, but he still fits right in with them in his inability to connect with the white working class voters, and it will show against McCain. I just read an article comparing the % of white support/working class support to what Kerry received in 2004, and Kerry is performing better than Obama. Clinton leads Obama in NON-COLLEGE EDUCATED white voters. College educated whites split evenly, and Obama has been increasing those numbers over the primary season. Second, Obama is only 4 points behind Clinton against McCain in non-college educated white voters, and five points AHEAD of her in college educated white voters. Third, Obama is not doing worse than Kerry or Gore. He is ahead of Kerry in working class whites by 5 points and ahead of Gore by 12 points. |
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| Author: | Beeblebrox [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Groucho wrote: He'll take PA but lose WV; however, he will also capture Colorado and New Mexico and few others that neither Kerry nor Gore got, and probably even Virginia and North Carolina (which will all offset any loss in Ohio). He would only need to pick up one additional state over Gore OR Kerry to win. Given the current climate, that doesn't seem too difficult. |
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
It's geographical too, it seems. Oregon polls are putting Obama up to 20 points ahead of Clinton, and the racial composition is similar to West Virginia: lily-white. Oregon has a below-average per capita income. Cultural composition is where the difference lies. |
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| Author: | jujubee [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Beeblebrox wrote: Corpse wrote: He is very much a Gore/Kerry candidate with various differences, but he still fits right in with them in his inability to connect with the white working class voters, and it will show against McCain. I just read an article comparing the % of white support/working class support to what Kerry received in 2004, and Kerry is performing better than Obama. Clinton leads Obama in NON-COLLEGE EDUCATED white voters. College educated whites split evenly, and Obama has been increasing those numbers over the primary season. Second, Obama is only 4 points behind Clinton against McCain in non-college educated white voters, and five points AHEAD of her in college educated white voters. Third, Obama is not doing worse than Kerry or Gore. He is ahead of Kerry in working class whites by 5 points and ahead of Gore by 12 points. Shh. Actual figures make Clinton's base cry. |
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
jujubee wrote: Shh. Actual figures make Clinton's base cry. Don't worry, her base doesn't understand algebra, much less statistics. .. j/p 
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| Author: | Corpse [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Beeblebrox wrote: Corpse wrote: He is very much a Gore/Kerry candidate with various differences, but he still fits right in with them in his inability to connect with the white working class voters, and it will show against McCain. I just read an article comparing the % of white support/working class support to what Kerry received in 2004, and Kerry is performing better than Obama. Clinton leads Obama in NON-COLLEGE EDUCATED white voters. College educated whites split evenly, and Obama has been increasing those numbers over the primary season. Second, Obama is only 4 points behind Clinton against McCain in non-college educated white voters, and five points AHEAD of her in college educated white voters. Third, Obama is not doing worse than Kerry or Gore. He is ahead of Kerry in working class whites by 5 points and ahead of Gore by 12 points. http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/ ... Q2NGVhM2Y= And don't forget the latino vote Obama will have to really work on. |
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Any Democrat will do better among Latinos than Kerry did in 2004. The question is whether Latinos can be boosted enough to put McCain on the defensive in Texas. |
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| Author: | Jim Halpert [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Angela Merkel wrote: jujubee wrote: Shh. Actual figures make Clinton's base cry. Don't worry, her base doesn't understand algebra, much less statistics. i fixed that for u |
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| Author: | Cotton [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
She's up to 65% with 54% of precincts. Can she hit 70? 
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| Author: | Anita Hussein Briem [ Tue May 13, 2008 10:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: West Virgina Results |
Cotton wrote: She's up to 65% with 54% of precincts. Can she hit 70? Probably not, given the unreported precincts are generally scattered around the states. Looks like she won't come close to matching our margins in Idaho and Kansas. The result will end up in Nebraska territory. In other news, a Democratic congressman managed to win in one of the most Republican districts in the country. That Mississippi district went 61-39 for Bush, I believe. |
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